Is Mormonism Reality?

[_Mercury]

That's why "The Matrix" was such an eye-opening movie for me.

You actually admit to this?

I got teary-eyed when the alien bought it in Alien.

rcrocket

This fits. Tell me, when you bursted from your hosts chest and scampered away quickly, dodging gunfire from space marines, did you realise that you were destined to become a lawyer or did you accept your species true calling as you matured?

[_rcrocket]

That's why "The Matrix" was such an eye-opening movie for me.

You actually admit to this?

I got teary-eyed when the alien bought it in Alien.

rcrocket

This fits. Tell me, when you bursted from your hosts chest and scampered away quickly, dodging gunfire from space marines, did you realise that you were destined to become a lawyer or did you accept your species true calling as you matured?

Uhh. There were no space marines in Alien. You are such a wonderful person.

We have edited out your gratitutous insult. Don't do it again. FMODS

[_Rollo Tomasi]

And then, so much is done anonymously by those who mock and sneer.

One-note-wonder Bob strikes again.

[_evolving]

R”crock”et

I question the intellectualism of the heaviest posters here

Intellectualism is vastly overrated..

do I need a bachelors degree If I choose to be a plumber? no. I need to know that s**t rolls downhill
do I need a MBA to be an electrician? no.. I need to know when not to lick the shiny parts.
do I need a PHD or JD to be a magician? Well no… every fifth grader knows that if you place a rock in a hat, and pull it close to exclude the light all you see is darkness..

In your case it has taken years of Intellectualism, and lawyer training to be able to suspend reality, insert your own version. And then passionately argue for whatever version of truth you happen to wish to believe in that day..

while reading threads in which you participate, you rarely add insight, or discuss related topics . You seem to enjoy insulting others, claiming superior education and verbal skills. Similar to DCP you seem to get off on this form of mental masturbation. your wierd that way

[_rcrocket]

your wierd that way

I really try not to insult.

By the way, I think it is "you're weird" not "your wierd." You're is a contraction for "you are." "Your" is a pronoun indicating some sort of possession.

To say, "your wierd" is like to say "your highness," or "your eminence," or "your Holiness." But, perhaps you intended to use it as a title; I don't know.

Intellectualism is not a synonym for educational achievement. The question really is this: Do you spend your free time WOW'ing it, or do you read and learn about the world around you? [Unless you do the latter, I can't see how you can converse about religion.] If you look around your computer screen, do you see good books from different disciplines, or do you see DVDs?

rcrocket

[_wenglund]

I find it more useful to rephrase the question of the thread to read: "Is the restored gospel of Christ an effective, or the most effective, means for learning what is real?"

The answer to this question is dependant upon how one defines "reality", and the extent to which one may believe that "reality" may be known. And, since philosophers and many great minds throughout the ages have failed to come to any conscensus on these questions, I doubt that it may be done here.

But, even assuming a common and non-contriversial definition of reality, and assuming that reality can be known, the answer to my rephrased questions is also dependent upon the kind of "reality" one has in mind. If I wish to learn about the "reality" of the forces and nature of the physical universe, I have found the secular sciences to be a more effective and preferred epistemic medium than my religious faith. However, if I wish to learn about the supposed "reality" of the forces and nature of the spiritual universe, I have found the restored gospel of Christ to be the most effective epistemic medium. As for matters where these two presumed "realities" may overlap (such as with the human soul, relationships among humans and between mankind and the world of spirits, morals and ethics, judgements/mercy, attitudes, etc.), I have found a complimentary combination of the science and religious faith to serve me best.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_moksha]

But, by and large, and in the main, I question the intellectualism of the heaviest posters here.

rcrocket (the "smug")

On this thread, that would be Runtu, Liz, Merc, Wade and myself. While I can certainly see my own intellectualism called into question, I think the others are plenty smart. Why did you mention it anyway? Usually when someone begins to be pissy, it is due to either being tired, hungry or hurt. Which is it? Liz probably has some fruit roll-ups.

[_harmony]

But, by and large, and in the main, I question the intellectualism of the heaviest posters here.

rcrocket (the "smug")

What does weight have to do with intellect? Unless you're saying those of us who are heavyweights lack the ability to converse intelligently? Good grief, Crock.

[_Trevor]

I think it was the famous religious studies scholar Jonathan Z. Smith who defined theology as a distortion of reality. I don't think his intention was to denigrate theology so much as explain its incompleteness and valorization of a limited set of ideas and principles. The LDS Church's belief system is one species of such distortion. To a believer, the particular emphases and propositions in LDS theology represent a complete system of salvific truth, but in qualifying what kind of truth it represents, one still acknowledges that it does not represent everything with perfect accuracy.

Leaders of the LDS Church used to say that all truth was consistent with Mormonism. Some still may. The only way one can truly believe this, however, is to privilege LDS teachings when they conflict with the results of scientific investigation, to reinterpret LDS teachings in light of new scientific discoveries where one can, and to privilege science where LDS teaching does not address the issue. I prefer championing the scientific method, which, in its proper application, continues to improve upon knowledge, to correct knowledge, to bring new knowledge to light.

[_Runtu]

But, by and large, and in the main, I question the intellectualism of the heaviest posters here.

rcrocket (the "smug")

On this thread, that would be Runtu, Liz, Merc, Wade and myself. While I can certainly see my own intellectualism called into question, I think the others are plenty smart. Why did you mention it anyway? Usually when someone begins to be pissy, it is due to either being tired, hungry or hurt. Which is it? Liz probably has some fruit roll-ups.

In my experience, the self-described intellectuals are the least interesting people to talk to.