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Scottie wrote:
Pokatator wrote:What is the score for the Book of Mormon?

Absolutely......ZERO
Nothing collaborates the Book of Mormon except the evidence of a 19th century writing of a novel and it's witnesses. In other words, ZERO.

You can't put the Book of Mormon in the same category as equal to the Bible, both are a leap of faith...true. But the Book of Mormon is beyond a quantum leap.

To be fair, that's not entirely true.

There are evidences that point to the authenticity of the Book of Mormon. Granted, they are weak, but they do exist. So you can't say there is ZERO.


Yeah, there's that NHM thing.
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Scottie wrote:There are evidences that point to the authenticity of the Book of Mormon. Granted, they are weak, but they do exist. So you can't say there is ZERO.


0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000010000023% evidence?
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Runtu wrote:
why me wrote:Well, let me put it this way. Antimormonism began right from the beginning of the LDS church. Books were published, people hooted and shouted against the Mormons, antitheories were unleashed....and yet, to no avail. No one has proven the book false. The open window was in the very beginning when the church was organized and yet, the big antimormon players at that time, didn't even make a dent.

And yet, here we are today, still debating the same crapola about the church. And to what end? Nothing has changed. Nothing can be proven or disproven. And here is the apologist problem: to constantly debate over what cannot be proven or disproven. Likewise for the critic...and this is the problem at the MAD board.


It seems to me that the only ones who see no proof are those who have a reason not to. I don't spend a lot of time debating, as you put it, for the reason you give. The evidence is there, it's plain and simple, and the only people who want to debate are those who wish to disregard the evidence in favor of a subjective appeal to the spirit. So, in that sense, I agree with you. I see no reason to argue about the evidence.

And yet, even the so called evidence against the church is weak. I think that when one is in the spiritual realm, one is in the realm of impossibility. This is why there is faith. Within the realm of science, there is logic. No faith needed.

But yes, arguing and debating whether the church is true or not is useless and tiring...at least until more evidence comes on the scene.
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Bond...James Bond wrote:
Scottie wrote:There are evidences that point to the authenticity of the Book of Mormon. Granted, they are weak, but they do exist. So you can't say there is ZERO.


0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000010000023% evidence?

But with faith: 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% belief.
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why me wrote:And yet, even the so called evidence against the church is weak. I think that when one is in the spiritual realm, one is in the realm of impossibility. This is why there is faith. Within the realm of science, there is logic. No faith needed.

But yes, arguing and debating whether the church is true or not is useless and tiring...at least until more evidence comes on the scene.


The evidence is not weak at all. Just about everything points to the 19th century. I for one don't believe that God gives us evidence and then asks us to have faith that all the evidence is wrong. But, then, here we are arguing about evidence. Pointless.
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Bond...James Bond wrote:
Scottie wrote:There are evidences that point to the authenticity of the Book of Mormon. Granted, they are weak, but they do exist. So you can't say there is ZERO.


0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000010000023% evidence?

Whoa there!! I didn't say there was THAT much evidence!!! :)
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Bond...James Bond wrote:
Scottie wrote:There are evidences that point to the authenticity of the Book of Mormon. Granted, they are weak, but they do exist. So you can't say there is ZERO.


0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000010000023% evidence?


OK Bond, I'll give the Book of Mormon the value of 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000010000023% evidence

But if Joseph Smith had written Jurassic Park I could probably give that book a value of 0.10000023% evidence or higher, in comparison.

Even Michael Creighton can get lucky and beat next to zero.
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Runtu wrote:
Scottie wrote:
Pokatator wrote:What is the score for the Book of Mormon?

Absolutely......ZERO
Nothing collaborates the Book of Mormon except the evidence of a 19th century writing of a novel and it's witnesses. In other words, ZERO.

You can't put the Book of Mormon in the same category as equal to the Bible, both are a leap of faith...true. But the Book of Mormon is beyond a quantum leap.

To be fair, that's not entirely true.

There are evidences that point to the authenticity of the Book of Mormon. Granted, they are weak, but they do exist. So you can't say there is ZERO.


Yeah, there's that NHM thing.

And bountiful, and chaisms.
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Post by _asbestosman »

Pokatator wrote:But it proves that places and people existed as the Bible says

So, at least, there is some kind of score on the Bible's side.

What is the score for the Book of Mormon?

Absolutely......ZERO


Hold on a sec. What about the fact that the American continents definately existed, and that they definately had people living in them, wars, and religion? Furthermore there is indeed some doubt as to whether Jesus existed although it seems there may have been more than one Messiah-type figure in middle east at that time. It's still a long shot from proving that the disciples existed or that Jesus did much of what is attributed to Him in the Bible.

Oh yeah, and NHM.
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Bond...James Bond wrote:Off Topic: Just checked on some homophobe threads by the resident MADites and noticed that the poster Zoidberg was banned.

Just when I was about to say that MAD got interesting again, they go and ban my new entertainment.

May he/she be counted among the Banites for their work on the famous bikini thread.

Which one was that? Morningstar's media thread?
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