Watch Out! your daughters friend might be the Devil.

[_The Nehor]

Nehor, the question isn't whether it works or not. The question is whether or not deciding not to have kids for a couple of years into a marriage is an act to which one is put up by Satan. In other words, is one submitting to the will of Satan by deciding to hold off having kids for a couple of years?

I think the answer in many cases is yes.

[_Scottie]

Nehor, the question isn't whether it works or not. The question is whether or not deciding not to have kids for a couple of years into a marriage is an act to which one is put up by Satan. In other words, is one submitting to the will of Satan by deciding to hold off having kids for a couple of years?

I think the answer in many cases is yes.

So, you are saying that waiting to have kids is actually a SIN???

[_The Nehor]

So, you are saying that waiting to have kids is actually a SIN???

There is no global rule but sometimes, yes.

"And finally, I cannot tell you the all the things whereby ye may commit sin; for there are divers ways and means, even so many that I cannot number them."
-Mosiah 4:29

Three Scenarios with Bob and Jill:

1. Bob and Jill are in their 30's and have decided to continue to put off children as neither wants to curtail their career and push their combined salaries below six figures.

2. Bob and Jill just got married at 21 and 19 found out Jill is at severe risk of medical complications if she is pregnant.

3. Bob just lost both legs in a boating accident and is unable to work.

4. Bob is about to be deployed overseas on combat duty and may be gone for 2-3 years.

5. Both just found out Bob has cancer and may die within the next 2 years.

6. Jill has severe emotional problems and they question whether she could handle a child.

7. One of the two just cheated on the other and the marriage is in jeopardy.

I wouldn't make a judgment call on any of these. When an Apostle spoke to a group of YSA and Young Marrieds in this area a while back his counsel was to not have a long delay after marriage before having children. He also said that if you think you are the exception for one reason or another then that is between you and God and that he did not want you to write letters to him asking him if their exception was okay.

I wouldn't want to make a call on any of the above scenarios unless I was Bob and then I'd put it to prayer and thought. I would especially examine my motives.

You say SIN as if a SIN is a rare thing. Sinning is anything of commission or omission against what God commands. I have to repent every day. I don't know anyone who doesn't. Except for a few blatant ones most sins are not of the kind that anyone else can detect.

[_beastie]

Wow. It's utter and total bats*** insanity. It also works though.

What measure or standard have you used to declare "it works"?

[_barrelomonkeys]

So, you are saying that waiting to have kids is actually a SIN???

There is no global rule but sometimes, yes.

"And finally, I cannot tell you the all the things whereby ye may commit sin; for there are divers ways and means, even so many that I cannot number them."
-Mosiah 4:29

Three Scenarios with Bob and Jill:

1. Bob and Jill are in their 30's and have decided to continue to put off children as neither wants to curtail their career and push their combined salaries below six figures.

2. Bob and Jill just got married at 21 and 19 found out Jill is at severe risk of medical complications if she is pregnant.

3. Bob just lost both legs in a boating accident and is unable to work.

4. Bob is about to be deployed overseas on combat duty and may be gone for 2-3 years.

5. Both just found out Bob has cancer and may die within the next 2 years.

6. Jill has severe emotional problems and they question whether she could handle a child.

7. One of the two just cheated on the other and the marriage is in jeopardy.

I wouldn't make a judgment call on any of these. When an Apostle spoke to a group of YSA and Young Marrieds in this area a while back his counsel was to not have a long delay after marriage before having children. He also said that if you think you are the exception for one reason or another then that is between you and God and that he did not want you to write letters to him asking him if their exception was okay.

I wouldn't want to make a call on any of the above scenarios unless I was Bob and then I'd put it to prayer and thought. I would especially examine my motives.

You say SIN as if a SIN is a rare thing. Sinning is anything of commission or omission against what God commands. I have to repent every day. I don't know anyone who doesn't. Except for a few blatant ones most sins are not of the kind that anyone else can detect.

I have no idea what you are talking about!? Your scenarios are relevant how precisely to the topic?

[_beastie]

I have no idea what you are talking about!? Your scenarios are relevant how precisely to the topic?

I think you have had to experience Mormon culture to get his point.

If I understand him correctly, he's saying that these scenarios could be situations in which it wasn't a "Sin" to not have children.

But, to simply choose not to have children so you could finish school and pay off your college debts first, now that's a sin.


Believe it or not, this is part of Mormon culture. Shocking, isn't it?

[_beastie]

Monkeys - one thing to remember when trying to understand this element of Mormon culture is the LDS idea that the pre-existence is full of Heavenly Father's "spirit children" who are waiting to be assigned to a body here on earth, so they can begin their progression to full godhood. Any spirit child who is born in a Mormon family has a head start, obviously, because they are going to be taught "the truth" (you know, the real truth, not the pretend truth of others) by their parents.

So it is selfish to deprive spirit children of Mormon homes. They could end up going to <gasp> atheist homes instead.

[_barrelomonkeys]

I have no idea what you are talking about!? Your scenarios are relevant how precisely to the topic?

I think you have had to experience Mormon culture to get his point.

If I understand him correctly, he's saying that these scenarios could be situations in which it wasn't a "Sin" to not have children.

But, to simply choose not to have children so you could finish school and pay off your college debts first, now that's a sin.


Believe it or not, this is part of Mormon culture. Shocking, isn't it?

Quite!

[_barrelomonkeys]

Monkeys - one thing to remember when trying to understand this element of Mormon culture is the LDS idea that the pre-existence is full of Heavenly Father's "spirit children" who are waiting to be assigned to a body here on earth, so they can begin their progression to full godhood. Any spirit child who is born in a Mormon family has a head start, obviously, because they are going to be taught "the truth" (you know, the real truth, not the pretend truth of others) by their parents.

So it is selfish to deprive spirit children of Mormon homes. They could end up going to <gasp> atheist homes instead.

Oh dear! I think a few ended up with me! There are some bad childless LDS that are to blame for this!

[_gramps]

Monkeys - one thing to remember when trying to understand this element of Mormon culture is the LDS idea that the pre-existence is full of Heavenly Father's "spirit children" who are waiting to be assigned to a body here on earth, so they can begin their progression to full godhood. Any spirit child who is born in a Mormon family has a head start, obviously, because they are going to be taught "the truth" (you know, the real truth, not the pretend truth of others) by their parents.

So it is selfish to deprive spirit children of Mormon homes. They could end up going to <gasp> atheist homes instead.

Oh dear! I think a few ended up with me! There are some bad childless LDS that are to blame for this!

I'll take the blame. I made it ten years without having babies (and sex?) luckily. Temple mariage and all. Boy, did we get lots of strange questions as time went on.

Maybe that is the reason for all the bad karma that seems to follow me around. Damn it! :)

I should have had kids.