Profound insights from MAD on Gay Marriage

[_guy sajer]

Yet another....

This study contributed to the data about same-sex relationship violence with a large sample (n = 499) of ethnically diverse gay men, lesbians, and bisexual and transgendered people. Physical violence was reported in 9% of current and 32% of past relationships. One percent of participants had experienced forced sex in their current relationship. Nine percent reported this experience in past relationships. Emotional abuse was reported by 83% of the participants. Women reported higher frequencies than men for physical abuse, coercion, shame, threats, and use of children for control. Across types of abuse, ethnic differences emerged regarding physical abuse and coercion. Differences across age groups were found regarding coercion, shame, and use of children as tools. Higher income was correlated with increased threats, stalking, sexual, physical, and financial abuses. Preliminary patterns of same-sex relationship abuses were examined for bisexual and transgendered people.

Susan C. Turell, A Descriptive Analysis of Same-Sex Relationship Violence for a Diverse Sample , Journal of Family Violence, Volume 15, Number 3 / September, 2000

83%.....

Umm, these statistics are useless without some baseline for comparison. What are, for example, the comparitve figures for heterosexuals?

But, as an expert researcher, of course, you already know this.

[_Zoidberg]

The fact remains that homosexuality is a very risky lifestyle choice. None of you could adequately address the minor references I gave, you've yet to provide any science countering the scientific references I gave. The homosexual lobby has no compelling reasons to be legitimized in law and nothing to stand on.

Considering that the scientific references you gave tend to counter you, addressing them again seems redundant. However, would you please be so kind as to point out which of the minor references you gave have not been countered, in your opinion.

[_guy sajer]

The fact remains that homosexuality is a very risky lifestyle choice. None of you could adequately address the minor references I gave, you've yet to provide any science countering the scientific references I gave. The homosexual lobby has no compelling reasons to be legitimized in law and nothing to stand on.

Considering that the scientific references you gave tend to counter you, addressing them again seems redundant. However, would you please be so kind as to point out which of the minor references you gave have not been countered, in your opinion.

bcspace is to research what the Keystone Cops are to law enforcement.

This is turning into a comic farce.

[_bcspace]

Umm, these statistics are useless without some baseline for comparison. What are, for example, the comparitve figures for heterosexuals?

But, as an expert researcher, of course, you already know this.

Actually I do. But I've done all the leg work so far. Considering the grandiose claims of erudition going around, the proof must be left to you, the student.

Considering that the scientific references you gave tend to counter you, addressing them again seems redundant.

Would seem so if only it were true.

However, would you please be so kind as to point out which of the minor references you gave have not been countered, in your opinion.

LOL! Can one prove a negative? References were misread. Content of references were not read all the way through. Most other references ignored. I've addressed each one of these points specifically already.

bcspace is to research what the Keystone Cops are to law enforcement.

This is turning into a comic farce.

Says one who has provided no references or any cogent conclusions from existing ones.

[_Who Knows]

Can someone help explain how any of this is relevant to the gay marriage 'debate'. (and i put 'debate' in quotes as there really is no reason for debate, outside of a religious context. In other words, there is no compelling reason to deny gays the right to marry, other than a religious one - for some).

[_Zoidberg]

LOL! Can one prove a negative?

You need not prove a negative. Simply point out kindly which of your claims have not been countered, in your opinion.

References were misread. Content of references were not read all the way through.

Most of the time, by you.

I've addressed each one of these points specifically already.

So far I have seen every statement of yours countered. If you think they have not been countered and refuse to state which ones have not been countered, in your opinion, it will never get resolved. And you will conveniently carry on believing that you are smarter than everyone here.

[_bcspace]

Can someone help explain how any of this is relevant to the gay marriage 'debate'. (and I put 'debate' in quotes as there really is no reason for debate, outside of a religious context. In other words, there is no compelling reason to deny gays the right to marry, other than a religious one - for some).

Sure. Besides the fact that there has never been a compelling reason for gay marriage, such a lifestyle adds significant additional risk to the relationship, society, and any children that might be unfortunate enough to be in the way.

[_bcspace]

LOL! Can one prove a negative?

You need not prove a negative. Simply point out kindly which of your claims have not been countered, in your opinion.

I gave several examples. But the reality is, if my claims have not been countered, there is nothing else to show. You''l have to provide a counter else we are still dealing in negatives.

References were misread. Content of references were not read all the way through.

Most of the time, by you.

No one has provided a single example of this yet.

I've addressed each one of these points specifically already.

So far I have seen every statement of yours countered.

Then you should be able to give an example. The only true statement here is that attempts have been made to counter, but each one failed. For example, attempts were made to link me to fundie literature when in fact the quote came from elsewhere. Someone else tried to show that my own reference gainsayed my claim about more domestic abuse among gays but they did not read the content. etc. etc.

If you think they have not been countered and refuse to state which ones have not been countered,in your opinion, it will never get resolved.

All of them as I have stated before.

And you will conveniently carry on believing that you are smarter than everyone here.

Since I have not made such a claim, this statement is an indication that you have nothing to counter my claims. If urging you one to actually try and counter what I have said, to actually read and address it, makes me smarter, then so be it.

[_guy sajer]

Umm, these statistics are useless without some baseline for comparison. What are, for example, the comparitve figures for heterosexuals?

But, as an expert researcher, of course, you already know this.

Actually I do. But I've done all the leg work so far. Considering the grandiose claims of erudition going around, the proof must be left to you, the student.

Frankly, I doubt it. If you understood this, you wouldn't have quoted the statistic without offering contextual information to help readers interpret and understand it, as ANY good researcher would do.

So, tell us, what are the comparable figures for hetereosexuals, which strikes me as the appropriate comparison group?

Jesus Hermione Christ, you just plug steadfastly ahead, totally oblivious and totally clueless.

[_bcspace]

Actually I do. But I've done all the leg work so far. Considering the grandiose claims of erudition going around, the proof must be left to you, the student.

Frankly, I doubt it. If you understood this, you wouldn't have quoted the statistic without offering contextual information to help readers interpret and understand it, as ANY good researcher would do.

Considering the most unscholarly fashion with which you all have treated references so far, it is not unreasonable to make you find some of your own especially since you are so sure that I am wrong. In fact, I think that since most of you are so invested in supporting the homosexual lifestyle choice, you have to cling to straws to save yourselves from any real discussion of the issues.

Jesus Hermione Christ, you just plug steadfastly ahead, totally oblivious and totally clueless.

Ah! Then you must have a reference.....somewhere. lol