21 Unconvincing Arguments for God

[_James Muir]

Hey meek person, perhaps your infinite humility will help you find an answer to the following question: what makes you think you're opening up new knowledge to anyone? What makes you think you are authorized to be the teacher of truth? Perhaps it's your humility talking when you pronounce these imaginary God-haters, whoever you think they are, to be dumb and incapable of learning? Looks like it's been a while since you've read Matthew 5:22.

Skeptics don't claim to be in exclusive possession of truth, by the way.

So who is really being meek here, I wonder?

The glassy stare from behind the eyes of people puzzling to catalogue what they are now hearing is a good tell that they have never heard such a thing before. Frequent uhuhs, yeahs, and I know, I know is another good tell if they have nothing substantive to add. Which of course they would if they did know and their yea was yea, and their nay was nay.

Notice how you insisted upon seizing the right to define terms? And I guess that was a kneejerk appeal to hide behind proper authority from past thinking patterns. I value meekness, sure, but where have I vaunted myself the great humble and meek one? I would like to see the fear of God and a little meekness in others who for example claim to be pristine skeptics as if that carries any virtue or weight.

I was called pure evil by Keene for suggesting that man was limited before Almighty God. Now, I cannot say something new without being nonmeek and a pompous a**. I at least give the Lord glory for being in me by gifts and powers I ascribe unto the God of the gospel.

I will less and less defend against personal assails.
They're neither wind beneath my wings
Nor strength against my sails.

(Oh, what? should I self-attribute this verse or just pretend I don't know who might have first said this? Gee? What would a meek and humble guy do? These skeptics just dominate me with their demands)

[_James Muir]

[... Pride goeth before the fall?

The fact still remains that the concept of Hell is unprovable, and seems like a scare tactic. This "God" fellow, who refuses to make himself known except to those who already believe he exists, says, through word-of-mouth, that if we don't worship him, we'll suffer for eternity? Sounds like the bogey-man for adults. No matter how you fancy up the language, it just seems silly.

Pride? Oh, my assurance of a correct understanding? Pride, huh. Well, walk a moment in my shoes and tell me about pride. Unbelievers are stupid to think that there is no possibility of assurance that is just out of reach for them. Satan said, I am also a son of God, believe it not. And they loved Satan more than God. Nothing new there.

By the way, hell is not the famous inferno but the disappointment at realizing the eternal realities and being shut out......forever. It incourages the conservation of intelligence. People opt to leave hell and surrender all the gifts of God that established their individualities. Then they return to whence the came to await another chance at another fate. Devils are forced back through becaue God needs skilled and dependable devils. A valuable dross removing agent of God to help make up his jewels in the next turn of the eternal round.

[_keene]

[... Pride goeth before the fall?

The fact still remains that the concept of Hell is unprovable, and seems like a scare tactic. This "God" fellow, who refuses to make himself known except to those who already believe he exists, says, through word-of-mouth, that if we don't worship him, we'll suffer for eternity? Sounds like the bogey-man for adults. No matter how you fancy up the language, it just seems silly.

Pride? Oh, my assurance of a correct understanding? Pride, huh. Well, walk a moment in my shoes and tell me about pride. Unbelievers are stupid to think that there is no possibility of assurance that is just out of reach for them. Satan said, I am also a son of God, believe it not. And they loved Satan more than God. Nothing new there.

By the way, hell is not the famous inferno but the disappointment at realizing the eternal realities and being shut out......forever. It incourages the conservation of intelligence. People opt to leave hell and surrender all the gifts of God that established their individualities. Then they return to whence the came to await another chance at another fate. Devils are forced back through becaue God needs skilled and dependable devils. A valuable dross removing agent of God to help make up his jewels in the next turn of the eternal round.

See, you keep talking about hell as if it actually meant something. Just because you can describe Narnia really well doesn't mean it exists.

As for pride... Well, it seems strange that your concept of Heaven is one where we keep our individuality. Seems like your heaven is a heaven of the ego. Most other heavens and nirvanas I've studied are the exact opposite -- the losing of the self. Hence why servitude is pushed so greatly in the teachings. Seems your pride and your heaven go hand in hand.

But I don't want this to turn into a big p*****g war. Do you have anything new to bring to the argument?

I was called pure evil by Keene for suggesting that man was limited before Almighty God.

You silly person! Why would you so quickly identify with that statement? What I called "pure evil" was the limiting speech. But surely you are not your words?

I at least give the Lord glory for being in me by gifts and powers I ascribe unto the God of the gospel.

Allow me to point out how this statement sounds to me:

"I'm more humble than YOU, so shut up, punk!"

Honestly, you don't have to prove yourself to us. Our social validation isn't going to get you into heaven any faster.

[_James Muir]

Allow me to point out how this statement sounds to me:

"I'm more humble than YOU, so shut up, punk!"

Honestly, you don't have to prove yourself to us. Our social validation isn't going to get you into heaven any faster.

You tangle
I tango
You tango
I tangle

don't you hate it?

I sing my song
you sing your song
I hate to have to listen to songs I don't like.
You hate to have to listen to songs you don't like.

Lets try not to overreact.

[_barrelomonkeys]

Pride? Oh, my assurance of a correct understanding? Pride, huh. Well, walk a moment in my shoes and tell me about pride. Unbelievers are stupid to think that there is no possibility of assurance that is just out of reach for them. Satan said, I am also a son of God, believe it not. And they loved Satan more than God. Nothing new there.

By the way, hell is not the famous inferno but the disappointment at realizing the eternal realities and being shut out......forever. It incourages the conservation of intelligence. People opt to leave hell and surrender all the gifts of God that established their individualities. Then they return to whence the came to await another chance at another fate. Devils are forced back through becaue God needs skilled and dependable devils. A valuable dross removing agent of God to help make up his jewels in the next turn of the eternal round.

Huh?

Who loves Satan?

Who are the devils? Were they once humans?

I'm sorry if these questions are obvious to others. James, I have no idea what you're talking about.

[_barrelomonkeys]

You tangle
I tango
You tango
I tangle

don't you hate it?

I sing my song
you sing your song
I hate to have to listen to songs I don't like.
You hate to have to listen to songs you don't like.

Lets try not to overreact.

I've actually been listening to Pink Floyd quite a bit lately.

Not sure what that means. But I'm pretty sure it means something.

:)

[_James Muir]

Pride? Oh, my assurance of a correct understanding? Pride, huh. Well, walk a moment in my shoes and tell me about pride. Unbelievers are stupid to think that there is no possibility of assurance that is just out of reach for them. Satan said, I am also a son of God, believe it not. And they loved Satan more than God. Nothing new there.

By the way, hell is not the famous inferno but the disappointment at realizing the eternal realities and being shut out......forever. It incourages the conservation of intelligence. People opt to leave hell and surrender all the gifts of God that established their individualities. Then they return to whence the came to await another chance at another fate. Devils are forced back through becaue God needs skilled and dependable devils. A valuable dross removing agent of God to help make up his jewels in the next turn of the eternal round.

Huh?

Who loves Satan.

Satan is personified in any soul who resists the will of God. That is most of the world relative to how much of the will of God you consider. And to love to resist the will of God is to love Satan.

Who are the devils? Were they once humans??

All devils were the same as us at one point. They chose to not follow the Only Begotten Son from the organization of intelligences at the council in Heaven after God spoke and man was created by the word of his power.(not by a heavenly mother and father) All those who obeyed God and came out of the light of truth recieved independent spheres of existence and the gift of knowledge according to that sphere they were called to. This is an entire proto pre-existence before the one Mormons are aware of. It is in their scriptures it just is not opened to them. I have known about it for twenty-five or more years.

I'm sorry if these questions are obvious to others. James, I have no idea what you're talking about.?

Ask any detail you like. I am not trying to keep any secrets.

[_Zoidberg]

The glassy stare from behind the eyes of people puzzling to catalogue what they are now hearing is a good tell that they have never heard such a thing before. Frequent uhuhs, yeahs, and I know, I know is another good tell if they have nothing substantive to add. Which of course they would if they did know and their yea was yea, and their nay was nay.

I'm beginning to lose track of your train of thought, so the glassy stare you're talking about might become a reality in the near future.

Notice how you insisted upon seizing the right to define terms?

No, I haven't noticed that because it wasn't there.

And I guess that was a kneejerk appeal to hide behind proper authority from past thinking patterns.

It's hard to understand you, but behind what authority am I hiding, in your opinion?

I value meekness, sure, but where have I vaunted myself the great humble and meek one? I would like to see the fear of God and a little meekness in others who for example claim to be pristine skeptics as if that carries any virtue or weight.

Does being meek carry any virtue or weight? In any case, you have thus far demonstrated neither.

I was called pure evil by Keene for suggesting that man was limited before Almighty God.

No you weren't. Your statement was.

Now, I cannot say something new without being nonmeek and a pompous a**.

That, of course, doesn't matter; what really matters is the substance of your claims. You can be a pompous a** all you want, just don't hold others to a higher standard than you do yourself, and we'll all get along just fine.

[_James Muir]

The glassy stare from behind the eyes of people puzzling to catalogue what they are now hearing is a good tell that they have never heard such a thing before. Frequent uhuhs, yeahs, and I know, I know is another good tell if they have nothing substantive to add. Which of course they would if they did know and their yea was yea, and their nay was nay.

I'm beginning to lose track of your train of thought, so the glassy stare you're talking about might become a reality in the near future.

Notice how you insisted upon seizing the right to define terms?

No, I haven't noticed that because it wasn't there.

And I guess that was a kneejerk appeal to hide behind proper authority from past thinking patterns.

It's hard to understand you, but behind what authority am I hiding, in your opinion?

I value meekness, sure, but where have I vaunted myself the great humble and meek one? I would like to see the fear of God and a little meekness in others who for example claim to be pristine skeptics as if that carries any virtue or weight.

Does being meek carry any virtue or weight? In any case, you have thus far demonstrated neither.

I was called pure evil by Keene for suggesting that man was limited before Almighty God.

No you weren't. Your statement was.

Now, I cannot say something new without being nonmeek and a pompous a**.

That, of course, doesn't matter; what really matters is the substance of your claims. You can be a pompous a** all you want, just don't hold others to a higher standard than you do yourself, and we'll all get along just fine.

I am not trying to kiss up to anybody so I am not playing the spin game at all.

[_Dr. Shades]

Mav:

THANK YOU for finally posting! What a great start it was.