Lifting of the priesthood ban for black males

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liz3564 wrote:
Chap wrote:
Coggins7 wrote:sgsdgr


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A miracle!

Coggins7 has been rendered incapable of articulate typing .... just like Korihor was (mutatis mutandis).

There is a God, and he is Afro-American, like I always thought he was.


LOL!


Actually though, I have to confess I hope Coggins7 just brushed his/her keyboard by accident, and is really OK ... Sloppy, I know, but all the same ...
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Chap wrote:A miracle!

Coggins7 has been rendered incapable of articulate typing .... just like Korihor was (mutatis mutandis).

There is a God, and he is Afro-American, like I always thought he was.


That's assuming that Cogs was ever capable of articulate typing. I have my doubts, as I've seen no evidence of it here. ;)
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The attitude of the Church with reference to Negroes remains as it has always stood. It is not a matter of the declaration of a policy but of direct commandment from the Lord, on which is founded the doctrine of the Church from the days of its organization, to the effect that Negroes may become members of the Church but that they are not entitled to the priesthood at the present time. The prophets of the Lord have made several statements as to the operation of the principle. President Brigham Young said: “Why are so many of the inhabitants of the earth cursed with a skin of blackness? It comes in consequence of their fathers rejecting the power of the holy priesthood, and the law of God. They will go down to death. And when all the rest of the children have received their blessings in the holy priesthood, then that curse will be removed from the seed of Cain, and they will then come up and possess the priesthood, and receive all the blessings which we now are entitled to.”
President Wilford Woodruff made the following statement: “The day will come when all that race will be redeemed and possess all the blessings which we now have.”

The position of the Church regarding the Negro may be understood when another doctrine of the Church is kept in mind, namely, that the conduct of spirits in the premortal existence has some determining effect upon the conditions and circumstances under which these spirits take on mortality and that while the details of this principle have not been made known, the mortality is a privilege that is given to those who maintain their first estate; and that the worth of the privilege is so great that spirits are willing to come to earth and take on bodies no matter what the handicap may be as to the kind of bodies they are to secure; and that among the handicaps, failure of the right to enjoy in mortality the blessings of the priesthood is a handicap which spirits are willing to assume in order that they might come to earth. Under this principle there is no injustice whatsoever involved in this deprivation as to the holding of the priesthood by the Negroes.


We have the first presidency stating that the ban was a "direct commandment from the Lord."

The statement clearly states that the doctrine is that "negros" are not entitled to the priesthood.

It states that the "curse of darkness," is "in consequence of their fathers rejecting the power of the holy priesthood, and the law of God."

I really don't see how anyone can get around the idea that the ban was not doctrine, or that it was not a direct commandment from God.

Unless the leaders were not inspired, were lying, pretending or otherwise making something up.

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Goggins: read uncle tom's cabin or did you already burn it. it
was written in the 1850's when Brigham was "prophet". Brigham should have been reading instead of writing.



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Of course the communist were behind the 1960's civil rights movement:

Ezra Taft Benson:

"The planning, direction, and leadership come from the Communists, and most of those are white men who fully intend to destroy America by spilling Negro blood, rather than their own."

"Next, we must not participate in any so-called "blacklash" activity which might tend to further intensify inter-racial friction. Anti-Negro vigilante action, or mob action, of any kind fits perfectly into the Communist plan. This is one of the best ways to force the decent Negro into cooperating with militant Negro groups. The Communists are just as anxious to spearhead such anti-Negro actions as they are to organize demonstrations that are calculated to irritate white people.

"We must insist that duly authorized legislative investigating committees launch an even more exhaustive study and expose the degree to which secret Communists have penetrated into the civil rights movement. The same needs to be done with militant anti-Negro groups. This is an effective way for the American people of both races to find out who are the false leaders among them.
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truth dancer wrote:
The attitude of the Church with reference to Negroes remains as it has always stood. It is not a matter of the declaration of a policy but of direct commandment from the Lord, on which is founded the doctrine of the Church from the days of its organization, to the effect that Negroes may become members of the Church but that they are not entitled to the priesthood at the present time. The prophets of the Lord have made several statements as to the operation of the principle. President Brigham Young said: “Why are so many of the inhabitants of the earth cursed with a skin of blackness? It comes in consequence of their fathers rejecting the power of the holy priesthood, and the law of God. They will go down to death. And when all the rest of the children have received their blessings in the holy priesthood, then that curse will be removed from the seed of Cain, and they will then come up and possess the priesthood, and receive all the blessings which we now are entitled to.”
President Wilford Woodruff made the following statement: “The day will come when all that race will be redeemed and possess all the blessings which we now have.”

The position of the Church regarding the Negro may be understood when another doctrine of the Church is kept in mind, namely, that the conduct of spirits in the premortal existence has some determining effect upon the conditions and circumstances under which these spirits take on mortality and that while the details of this principle have not been made known, the mortality is a privilege that is given to those who maintain their first estate; and that the worth of the privilege is so great that spirits are willing to come to earth and take on bodies no matter what the handicap may be as to the kind of bodies they are to secure; and that among the handicaps, failure of the right to enjoy in mortality the blessings of the priesthood is a handicap which spirits are willing to assume in order that they might come to earth. Under this principle there is no injustice whatsoever involved in this deprivation as to the holding of the priesthood by the Negroes.


We have the first presidency stating that the ban was a "direct commandment from the Lord."

The statement clearly states that the doctrine is that "negros" are not entitled to the priesthood.

It states that the "curse of darkness," is "in consequence of their fathers rejecting the power of the holy priesthood, and the law of God."


This cannot be. Remember the AoF that says men will be judged according to their own sin, not for Adam's transgression. At no point should an entire race of people have been judged according to the sins of their fathers, and denied the blessings of holding the priesthood, based on our own doctrines! Unless, of course, we don't believe our own doctrine, when doing so is too inconvenient.
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truth dancer wrote:
The attitude of the Church with reference to Negroes remains as it has always stood. It is not a matter of the declaration of a policy but of direct commandment from the Lord, on which is founded the doctrine of the Church from the days of its organization, to the effect that Negroes may become members of the Church but that they are not entitled to the priesthood at the present time. The prophets of the Lord have made several statements as to the operation of the principle. President Brigham Young said: “Why are so many of the inhabitants of the earth cursed with a skin of blackness? It comes in consequence of their fathers rejecting the power of the holy priesthood, and the law of God. They will go down to death. And when all the rest of the children have received their blessings in the holy priesthood, then that curse will be removed from the seed of Cain, and they will then come up and possess the priesthood, and receive all the blessings which we now are entitled to.”
President Wilford Woodruff made the following statement: “The day will come when all that race will be redeemed and possess all the blessings which we now have.”

The position of the Church regarding the Negro may be understood when another doctrine of the Church is kept in mind, namely, that the conduct of spirits in the premortal existence has some determining effect upon the conditions and circumstances under which these spirits take on mortality and that while the details of this principle have not been made known, the mortality is a privilege that is given to those who maintain their first estate; and that the worth of the privilege is so great that spirits are willing to come to earth and take on bodies no matter what the handicap may be as to the kind of bodies they are to secure; and that among the handicaps, failure of the right to enjoy in mortality the blessings of the priesthood is a handicap which spirits are willing to assume in order that they might come to earth. Under this principle there is no injustice whatsoever involved in this deprivation as to the holding of the priesthood by the Negroes.


We have the first presidency stating that the ban was a "direct commandment from the Lord."

The statement clearly states that the doctrine is that "negros" are not entitled to the priesthood.

It states that the "curse of darkness," is "in consequence of their fathers rejecting the power of the holy priesthood, and the law of God."

I really don't see how anyone can get around the idea that the ban was not doctrine, or that it was not a direct commandment from God.

Unless the leaders were not inspired, were lying, pretending or otherwise making something up.

~dancer~



Of course they talk about obeying, honoring and sustaining the law and early church was the most lawless community around.
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thestyleguy wrote:
Of course they talk about obeying, honoring and sustaining the law and early church was most lawless community around.


Oh, come on, now. They were living a "higher" law. Yeah, that's it.
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Runtu wrote:
thestyleguy wrote:
Of course they talk about obeying, honoring and sustaining the law and early church was most lawless community around.


Oh, come on, now. They were living a "higher" law. Yeah, that's it.


Ha!
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