Romney asked if Salt Lake will influence him.

[_Some Schmo]

I'd only vote for a woman is she was a self-proclaimed atheist. I actually don't care if it's a man or a woman, as long as it's not a freaking genocidal moron like we've got now.

I will never vote for anyone who admits to any religious affiliation whatsoever. Religious=stupid.

[_Jason Bourne]

..or, in other words. I am proud to be 100% Mormon but do not follow the prophet. Lie.

Oh horsecrap

Do you hold the same standard for scary Harry?

3 years ago (as a TBM myself), I would have considered him to be unprincipled and without allegiance. The chip is missing for him to be a TBM. Any Mormon that would come right out and make these two statements wasn't the type of Mormon I could rely on. I would want him to follow a prophet because a prophet could not lead anyone astray - ever.

You really do not see the difference here? Maybe this is your problem. You were really TOO MUCH of a Mormon and did not think at all for yourself. In fact I see a pattern here. Many who are angry and disaffected just cannot seem to realize that the world in not really a cookie cutter nor is the Mormon church nor was it ever.

Fast forward to today. Hillary would be unthinkable. But I hope he is not nominated to run against her.

I hope he is. He would make a great president in my opinion and he can beat Hillary.

If he is a TBM he is making 2 baldfaced lies. Can a TBM Mormon trust him? no.

No he is not. Why can't he be Mormon and follow his conscience. What Mormon marches perfectly to every word of the prophet.

Even if he is lying.

Just because you were a radically conservative Mormon does not mean every Mormon dances tot he strings of every thing that is Mormon

If he is being truthful then he could not be a TBM. He would undoubtedly fail his temple recommend interview.

Gee where in the TR does it say one dances on the every word the prophet says? No wonder when things got a bit cloudy you chucked it all.

He troubles me.

Your radical views trouble me.

[_Jason Bourne]

Right on, Inconceivable. Romney's posturing should be shameful to TBMs, whether he's telling the truth or lying. Ah, but they'll vote for him anyway out of tribal loyalty and visceral hatred for Hillary.

Why is there this strange idea that what Romney said is so outside the scope of LDS thinking and doctrine. Please demonstrate that what he said is wrong per LDS sources.

[_Blixa]

I like Rudy Giuliani.

Ackkkk! As a New Yorker....NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

[_harmony]

"No president could possibly take orders or even input from religious leaders telling him what to do,'' Romney, a Mormon, said today on CBS's ``Face the Nation'' program. ``My church wouldn't endeavor to tell me what to do on an issue, and I wouldn't listen to them on an issue that related to our nation.''

..or, in other words. I am proud to be 100% Mormon but do not follow the prophet. Lie.

3 years ago (as a TBM myself), I would have considered him to be unprincipled and without allegiance. The chip is missing for him to be a TBM. Any Mormon that would come right out and make these two statements wasn't the type of Mormon I could rely on. I would want him to follow a prophet because a prophet could not lead anyone astray - ever.

Fast forward to today. Hillary would be unthinkable. But I hope he is not nominated to run against her.

If he is a TBM he is making 2 baldfaced lies. Can a TBM Mormon trust him? no. Even if he is lying.

If he is being truthful then he could not be a TBM. He would undoubtedly fail his temple recommend interview.

He troubles me.

Personally, I think he sounds like 90% of the Mormons I know. I mean, who besides the most conservative among us actually listens to what is said in conference and then actually does something about it? Hardly anyone. Sounds like Romney is pretty much like that too.

[_Jason Bourne]

I am suspicious of Romney. First, because he joined with Orrin Hatch in retroactively approving of federal meddling in the issue of polygamy for the purpose of poltical advantage on the gay marriage issue. The fact that the two took the same position at the same time suggests to me that they received direction on how to handle the issue from the COB.

So if two Catholics hold the same position I assume you think the Pope directed it.

Second, I am inclined to believe Judy Dushku's story about Romney clearing his temporary and phoney pro-choice position with LDS leaders. I don't see a compelling reason not to believe it.

I do not see a compelling reason to believe it. Big deal I guess.

The two events together lead me to believe that Romney is very open to taking political direction from the LDS Church, and that he is willing to act in accordance with their directives.

The man wants to be pres and would be stupid to do this. If it ever got out his chances of success are kapoot!

I would prefer that my next president be a man who does not receive direction from and follow the suggestions of a decidedly non-democratic organization in Utah.

Do you have the same worried the Reed gets his directions from SLC?

[_SatanWasSetUp]

I would prefer that my next president be a man who does not receive direction from and follow the suggestions of a decidedly non-democratic organization in Utah.

What do you have against a woman president?

When it came time to push the button, their boobs might get in the way.

[_bcspace]

"No president could possibly take orders or even input from religious leaders telling him what to do,'' Romney, a Mormon, said today on CBS's ``Face the Nation'' program. ``My church wouldn't endeavor to tell me what to do on an issue, and I wouldn't listen to them on an issue that related to our nation.''

..or, in other words. I am proud to be 100% Mormon but do not follow the prophet. Lie.

3 years ago (as a TBM myself), I would have considered him to be unprincipled and without allegiance. The chip is missing for him to be a TBM. Any Mormon that would come right out and make these two statements wasn't the type of Mormon I could rely on. I would want him to follow a prophet because a prophet could not lead anyone astray - ever.

Fast forward to today. Hillary would be unthinkable. But I hope he is not nominated to run against her.

If he is a TBM he is making 2 baldfaced lies. Can a TBM Mormon trust him? no. Even if he is lying.

If he is being truthful then he could not be a TBM. He would undoubtedly fail his temple recommend interview.

He troubles me.

There is nothing troubling about this. I wouldn't take orders from anyone, even if it's just input, telling me what to do either. How easily you all fell into Romney's verbal trap. There is nothing there that says he won't take advice or input from Church leaders. An athiest will take advice and input from people he trusts as well. Thank goodness Romney is LDS.

[_Trevor]

So if two Catholics hold the same position I assume you think the Pope directed it.

Try coming up with a situation that is truly analogous. In this case, two faithful Mormon politicians simultaneously sold out their heritage for the political advantage of their Church (i.e. to oppose the gay lobby's use of polygamy).

I do not see a compelling reason to believe it. Big deal I guess.

Did you articulate your reason, or do you think the statement alone is compelling to any of us?

The man wants to be pres and would be stupid to do this. If it ever got out his chances of success are kapoot!

Yes, it would truly be harmful to his campaign if people believed he would do this, but once he is in he very well may. The image he prudently projects now may say very little about what he will actually do later. I think he has already crossed the line, and I am not prepared to trust him again simply because he wants us to believe that somehow it will all be different this time and never happened in the first place.

Do you have the same worried the Reed gets his directions from SLC?

Do you have any evidence to suggest that I should be?

[_mormonmistress]

I think he'd fit right in with American culture. He's religious, so war wouldn't be a problem, as it never seems to be for America. The ultimate hypocrisy of most religious people in power, is their sanctification of war and killing. I always wondered how they can reconcile the killing of thousands of innocent people with "thou shalt not kill" and their so called Christian beliefs. Justify it all you like, it's still killing. I haven't read anywhere in any religious text where the "thou shalt not kill" directive has come with a disclaimer saying "except in this or that instance"...