Mok wrote:Juliann: Oh give us a break. Who in the world do you think doesn't see through your sneering, condescending sarcasm? This board has ample people who don't toe the party line and yet they can have an intelligent discussion instead of doing a bad imitation of Bill Maher.
Wow! Juliann watches "Bill Maher"!
I'm impressed!
:)
That thread seems to follow Juliann's pattern: start a thread that will offend every critic and exmo, ratchet up the rhetoric, and then when people respond angrily, use that as proof at how evil the opposition is. I refuse to play that game.
If you recall, this was the pattern she followed in the infamous "pottery" thread. I took the bait that time and got very angry. Shortly thereafter mass bannings happened. Would anyone be surprised if there were another purge in the works? I'm sure I'm already on the short list for banning. :)
by the way, Chris, you said exactly what needed to be said. Hate is hate, and attacks are attacks.
What more needs to be said than this from Juliann?
My name is their blankie, my name is their pacifier. The invocation of the right names has become an ritual in the exmo narrative. It is thus hard to resist which shows the power of the exmo narrative and the conformity that is required to be part of the group.
Once again, we're mindless automatons who can't resist the power of the exmo narrative. "Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."
Runtu wrote:What more needs to be said than this from Juliann?
My name is their blankie, my name is their pacifier. The invocation of the right names has become an ritual in the exmo narrative. It is thus hard to resist which shows the power of the exmo narrative and the conformity that is required to be part of the group.
Once again, we're mindless automatons who can't resist the power of the exmo narrative. "Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."
Honestly, what planet does she live on?
There was a movie about Mars called, "The Angry Red Planet".
Juliann: How many times has my name been mentioned on MDB where you can go to have the really good discussions according to the above poster? Just in the last ten days. I'm going out on a limb here so disabuse me. Tell me if my name has not come up at all. If it has, that is importance and power under anyone's definition. If it hasn't I'm an egomaniac. But there has not been any period of time when I am not invoked so I'm sure I'm safe here. They should be going absolutely wild with the ritual invocations since I started posting again.
Anybody who goes there...have I lost my importance?
selek wrote:Spoilers and wreckers such as mms, 4truth, and the rest of that ilk should be chased out with a broom. MADB should be about thoughtful discussion rather than pathetic drive-bys insulting what they cannot enjoy or have rejected
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"Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded."-charity 3/7/07
selek wrote:Spoilers and wreckers such as mms, 4truth, and the rest of that ilk should be chased out with a broom. MADB should be about thoughtful discussion rather than pathetic drive-bys insulting what they cannot enjoy or have rejected
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What other species turns so thoroughly on its own than the Mormons?
Well, I've been suspended from MADB, as I thought would happen. For whatever reason, I can't seem to keep myself from responding to Juliann's vitriol. Oh, well. With Chris gone, there's not a whole lot of reasons to post there anymore.
Well, I got off suspension about an hour ago and just posted this on the thread at MA&D:
I would have contributed sooner, but I jut came off suspension (about one hour ago). I was supended on the day that Selek said this to me:
"You'll have all eternity in hell to ponder the number of innocent windmills you accosted."
I still have no idea what he is talking about and, for the fourth time, invite him to explain.
Regardless, in this thread, knowing I could not respond, he called me a "spoiler[] and wrecker[]". I invite him to explain this comment with references, also.
Above, Juliann stated that most of those who post here as questioning or doubting members "don't stick around." It could be that they do not stick around because they are not permitted to stick around. I assume, based on what I have observed and how I have been treated, that I will not last much longer (still do not understand why).
So, having been labeled a spoiler and wrecker who will spend an eternity in hell, I gather that my thoughts on the matter at hand will be of little value, but such has not stopped me before.
Re the OP, it is very difficult to come here as a sincerely questioning member (as I am) and encounter the angry defenders here (they know who they are). Indeed, already vulnerable from encounters with facts causing doubt and concern, we are then slapped upside the head by some of those we thought might lend a helping hand. It is very difficult to see past the aggressive posts of the attackers. It is understandable to me, considering my experience and feeling on the matter, that when someone does ultimately leave the fold, he or she may see his or her experience here as just one more of the nails in the coffin housing his or her testimony. It is not necessarily rational, but it is understandable.
I admit, I should have spent more time here prior to posting. I would have seen that certain very vocal and apparently influential people are not interested in anything but being "right" as they define it, and when faced with disagreement, call names and make [final] judgments. Some moderators seem to help out these "apologists" the best they can by calculated suspensions.
It's your board, so do what you need to do. But calling the more and more common exit narrative pointed out in the OP a conspiracy by trolls is little more than a way of reducing the conflict some must feel over their role in people finding the exits.
By the way, if you are interested at all in my journey, I taught Sunday School again yesterday and continue to make efforts to resolve my concerns. Indeed, Wade Englund came by MDB where I began posting after this latest suspension and offered some very good counsel, which I am in the process of applying. Troll, I am not. Sincerely questioning active member of the HP Group who cannot figure out whether Joseph Smith was being truthful about the processes surrounding the Book of Abraham, I am. Banned, I probably will be.
Peace.
I am thinking this will probably be the end for me at MA&D. Whatever.
What I find funny with that thread is that almost every mod has shown up at some point to try to restore order.....like it's going to happen when the mods are trying to reign in the board owner, who also happens to one of the main mods, who also happens to be one of the posters they're trying to reign in in the first place! The only way this will ever get resolved is if we hypnotize Jules and make all of her identities confront each other. Eventually they'll kill each other off (think of that movie Identity with Ray Liotta and John Cusack....you know the one where the killer ends up being a 4 year old) and maybe the ride on the tilt-a-whirl from Hell will finally end for all those poor souls over there.
"Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded."-charity 3/7/07