DCP Revises the Mopologetic Canon

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I'm just asking for specific examples of any apologists who claim "Joseph Smith never consummated any plural marriages."
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LifeOnaPlate wrote:I'm just asking for specific examples of any apologists who claim "Joseph Smith never consummated any plural marriages."


I'm not sure that the claims are, word-for-word, what you're proposing. In any case, I would suggest that you refer to the Quinn passage. It is quite illuminating.
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Zina Huntington Smith Young was first married to her legal husband, then married to Joseph Smith for eternity, then sealed to Joseph Smith after his death with Brigham Young standing proxy, then married to Brigham Young for time(both sealings done simultaneously.) Her husband was then sent on a mission and when he returned Zina was carrying Brigham Young's baby.

Just a note on Brigham Young's polyamory.
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DCP is posting on that thread because he and I were going back and forth on another thread (with Scott Lloyd as well).

I was trying to say how the "Joseph Smith never had sex with his wives" argument was a pretty common argument. Of course, I got CFR'd by DCP and Scott Lloyd.

I said, "For crying out loud! There is a thread going on right now about this!! If this is such a non-argument, why would there be a thread about it??"

By the way, neither DCP or Scott Lloyd would say whether they thought Joseph Smith had sex with his wives. They tossed it aside as if I were asking what color socks he wore.
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Scottie wrote:DCP is posting on that thread because he and I were going back and forth on another thread (with Scott Lloyd as well).

I was trying to say how the "Joseph Smith never had sex with his wives" argument was a pretty common argument. Of course, I got CFR'd by DCP and Scott Lloyd.

I said, "For crying out loud! There is a thread going on right now about this!! If this is such a non-argument, why would there be a thread about it??"

By the way, neither DCP or Scott Lloyd would say whether they thought Joseph Smith had sex with his wives. They tossed it aside as if I were asking what color socks he wore.


My dear Scottie---please provide them with the Quinn pages I referenced. Oh, and please do be sure to tell those two charming fellows that it was I, Mr. Scratch, who sent you! DCP and "Scotty Dog" are, of course, engaging in their de rigueur song-and-dance of dishonesty and misdirection. The reference should set them straight.
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Mister Scratch wrote:
LifeOnaPlate wrote:I'm just asking for specific examples of any apologists who claim "Joseph Smith never consummated any plural marriages."


I'm not sure that the claims are, word-for-word, what you're proposing. In any case, I would suggest that you refer to the Quinn passage. It is quite illuminating.



Done and done, but I thought the thread was about shifting of positions on the part of apologists, but as of yet I haven't seen any shifting.
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LifeOnaPlate wrote:
Mister Scratch wrote:
LifeOnaPlate wrote:I'm just asking for specific examples of any apologists who claim "Joseph Smith never consummated any plural marriages."


I'm not sure that the claims are, word-for-word, what you're proposing. In any case, I would suggest that you refer to the Quinn passage. It is quite illuminating.


Done and done, but I thought the thread was about shifting of positions on the part of apologists, but as of yet I haven't seen any shifting.


There has been a long standing tradition in LDS apologetics which holds that Joseph Smith & et. al. did not "consumate" their plural marriages. Yes? This makes sense, right? The evidence that LDS apologists have been arguing this is present in the Quinn passage.

Now, however, we have DCP stating in pretty plain English, that *no* Mopologist ever claimed that the marriages were "platonic". This is a *huge* revision, LoP.

Does that make sense?
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No one ever told me anything about all these rules of Mormon apologetics. :(
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bcspace wrote:No one ever told me anything about all these rules of Mormon apologetics. :(


The reason for that, BC, is that the Rules of Mopologetics are sort of like the rules for Fight Club---under no circumstances whatsoever should one ever, EVER say anything about the Rules!
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One question: I thought the thread was about shifting of positions on the part of apologists, but as of yet I haven't seen any shifting; does the Quinn passage specifically name Mormon apologists who claim all of Joseph Smith's plural marriages were platonic?
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