Chastity

[Guest]

Yes, Christ cleanses us from sin, and a family that together as a group exudes the attributes of Christ exalts their name and asociates it with Christ himself, as did Abraham, Isacc, Jacob, and the twelve tribes of Israel. This is also evidenced in the Higher priesthoods name being changed to Melchizedek.

Exalts their name? What name?

Gaz, a son is not his father. To judge a man for another family member's actions or for even the mere mention of his family name is to judge unjustly and incompetantly. Just because a father is righteous doesn't make his son so. A name is only the value of the individual, not the sum of the whole. The same reason why your declaration that you are an "active Mormon" (a label/name) does not make you privy to the entitlements of a righteous man (honor, respect, trust). You are judged by wiser individuals by your individual charactor and merit.

Since you see these examples as non fiction, you may consider the account of Abraham and his father, Satan and his Father, Jesus and his earthly father, Joseph II & III, Cain and Abel. What is in a family name? Little, unless you know the individual. You be the judge.

Doctrinally, God does not save families or bunches of any other subsets of humanity, he saves individuals that make up families and other subsets of humanity. If your brother murdered another, his actions would not disqualify you from attaining Mormon exaltation (but perhaps the fact that Mormon exaltation is nothing but a fiction might).

I would suggest that when you have the urge to blurt out platitudes with $5 words, perhaps you ought to give them a good think and ask yourself if you can truly perceive their meaning.

[_Inconceivable]

Every time Joseph introduced ANY new doctrine to th epeople, someone was offended and left..

Yeh, Joseph had a little trouble bringing the deep doctrinal practices to light.

Joseph Smith NEVER brought the deep doctrinal practices of Mormon adultery to LIGHT. Ever.

Joseph Smith only ever practiced this mockery of virtue in the DARK until the day he died.

I repeat, he never brought Mormon adultery to light. He lied to keep it hidden from the entire earth save about 50 souls. Righteous souls? More righteous than all others upon the earth? No. Only those that would swear by the God of heaven that the practice remain IN THE DARK.

Regardless of what we may speculate upon his intent, he NEVER brought it to the light of day.

15 Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?
16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

(Old Testament | Isaiah 29:15 - 16)

23 For behold, my beloved brethren, I say unto you that the Lord God worketh not in darkness.

(Book of Mormon | 2 Nephi 26:23)

23 And the Lord said: I will prepare unto my servant Gazelem, a stone, which shall shine forth in darkness unto light , that I may discover unto my people who serve me, that I may discover unto them the works of their brethren, yea, their secret works, their works of darkness, and their wickedness and abominations.
(Book of Mormon | Alma 37:23)

..Gazelem?

[_karl61]

I wonder what Joseph would do if the angel with the flaming sword told him that he wanted Emma as his wife.

[_Polygamy Porter]

Perhaps old Joe had a serious case of V.D. and "the flaming sword" was his way of saying that it hurts when he urinates?

[_Inconceivable]

PP,

VD/STDs.. well...

Hmm.. You are lost again. The forum where you can refer to appendages is next door.

[_Gazelam]

Inconceivable,

First, in regards to Names, What was the Abrahamic covenant? Also, what is sealed in the marriage covenant?

Second, in regards to secrets in the church, lets look at a statement from the Clementine Recognitions. Peter was often asked by Simon Magus to discuss the mysteries, but Peter had a policy in dealing with such men: "It is important to have some knowledge of the man.... if he remains wrapped up and polluted in obvious sins, it is not proper for me to speak to him at all of the more secret and sacred things of divine knowledge, but rather to protest and confront him, that he cease from sin, and cleanse his actions from vice. But if he insinuates himself, and leads us on to speak what he, as long as he acts improperly, ought not to hear, it will be our part to parry him cautiously." (II, 4)

"The teaching of all doctrine," says Peter, "has a certain order: there are some things which must be delivered first, others in the second place, and others in the third, and so on, everything in its order. If these things be delivered in their order they become plain; but if they be brought forward out of order, they will sem to be spoken against reason." (III, 34)

Elsewhere he explains that the Lord "has commanded us to go forth to preach, and to invite you to the supper of the heavenly king... and to give you your weddign garments, that is to say, the privilege of being baptised.... you are to regard this as the first step of three, which brings forth thirty commandments, as the second step does sixty and the third one hundred, as we shall explain to you more fully at another time." (IV, 35)

Its not that things are secret, as they are sacred, and are given to those prepared to receive them. Plygamy makes perfect sence to those reared in the gospel, it is only strange to those from the outside looking in.

Gaz

[_Inconceivable]

Its not that things are secret, as they are sacred, and are given to those prepared to receive them. Plygamy makes perfect sence to those reared in the gospel, it is only strange to those from the outside looking in.
Gaz

No. I was programmed with the same chip you have.

I was reared in the same church you belong to. I'm in my mid 40's, Honorable mission, MIT, faithful tithe payer, faithful to my marriage covenants, home teacher, valid temple recommend holder, I witnessed frequently to my clients/associates, studied my heros, read the Book of Mormon at the crack of dawn several times through with my wife and children. UBER. My ancestors practiced Mormon adultery.

The principle of Mormon adultery could be no more sacred than the principles that govern a virtuous and legal bond within monogamy - and we speak of this type of marriage with a sobering respect and reverence in a world where many believe it has lost it's equity. But when poligamy is forced upon those that have experienced this sacred bond of oneness that can only be shared between two, the marriage covenant is made a mockery and cheapened through its dilusion.

Truly if monogamy is a pearl, Mormon adultery is surely a swine.

I will repeat myself. Regardless of what we may speculate upon Joseph Smith's intentions, he died without bringing this abomination to the light of day and there it remained in darkness until his co-conspiriters grew bold in the lawless frontier of the great Southwest.
And there it remained until civilization overtook it.

Chastity, Virtue and the New and Everlasting Covenant of Marriage (as Smith, Young et al. described it) are no more compatible than iron and clay.

[_ludwigm]

Theres a Jewish saying that when one commits murder he does not simply kill the man, he kills a generation.
...

What about to kill a woman?

[_Blixa]

Blixa,

Do you seriously not grasp the need to reign in carnal and base desires? Is this seriously an issue with you, that these things do not need to be controlled or reigned in?

Mosiah 3:19
For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father

If one cannot master oneself, how can they hope to assist others, in this world or the next?

Yep. I seriously do not grasp that. It strikes me rather as one of the most base and foul lies of all time. The Natural Man is Divine. Mastering oneself includes recognition of that.

[_barrelomonkeys]

never mind