Chastity

Post by **_moksha** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:15 pm

Gazelam wrote: Polygamy makes perfect sense to those reared in the gospel, it is only strange to those from the outside looking in.

Gaz

Even among members there is disagreement about polygamy. Perhaps if you has said, "to those reared by the gospel", but even that would have a disrespectful ting to it. No, it is probably better to just think of polygamy as an aberration and let it go at that.

Post by **_MishMagnet** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:03 pm

You know what I think - I think God DID destroy Joseph Smith. His own actions caused his death. His own choices led him to Carthage. "Hey baby, don't tell my wife about us, she wouldn't understand." That is NOT SACRED. It would have been really nice of God to throw Emma a bone. Give her an angel, let her see the plates. Instead she ends up widowed, estranged from her parents, mother to many dead children, financially destitute, hated by Brigham Young and spending the rest of her life hearing the wispers of how many women her husband had bedded. She gave up everything for that man. It would have been great for him to return the favor.

Sorry, there isn't a man or woman alive that would be worth much split up 33 ways. Our creator just didn't make us capable of such a thing. We couldn't care for and love 33 children, 33 houses, 33 cars, 33 cats and certainly not 33 spouses. As a human I'm insulted that anyone would claim that any other human was only worth 1/33 of a spouse.

How would you feel, Gaz, if the shoe were on the other foot? How would you feel giving a lifetime of love and support to your wife with the knowledge that she was going to have men without end in the next? What if in this lifetime you would be adding 32 competing husbands to your life? You'd see your wife once a month if things were divided equally. Baby, there was an angel with a flaming sword - I had to do it. See you in December. But not on Christmas, sorry.

Post by **_Imwashingmypirate** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:47 pm

[quote="Gazelam"]Theres a Jewish saying that when one commits murder he does not simply kill the man, he kills a generation.

quote]

He kills more than a generation. He kills a whole line and the lines from those. All the decendants of that man.

_Yoda · Post by **_Yoda** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:52 am

Gaz wrote:ts not that things are secret, as they are sacred, and are given to those prepared to receive them.

So that's Joseph's out? His other marriages were too sacred to share with Emma? They weren't secret...they were sacred?

Just making sure I understand your point here before I give my opinion.

;)

Post by **_Gazelam** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:52 am

Imwashingmypirate wrote:
Gazelam wrote:Theres a Jewish saying that when one commits murder he does not simply kill the man, he kills a generation.

He kills more than a generation. He kills a whole line and the lines from those. All the decendants of that man.

that's what I meant to say, Thank you for fixing that.

Post by **_Gazelam** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:00 am

Mish,

Sorry, there isn't a man or woman alive that would be worth much split up 33 ways. Our creator just didn't make us capable of such a thing. We couldn't care for and love 33 children, 33 houses, 33 cars, 33 cats and certainly not 33 spouses. As a human I'm insulted that anyone would claim that any other human was only worth 1/33 of a spouse.

Your having a hard time seeing past the end of your nose.

Think for a moment about how the Holy Ghost communicates to us. Thoughts impressed upon our soul to gain insight and understanding in regards to the attributes of God. Think for a moment about what it woudl be like to dwell in the midst of a society that exists and communicates that way.

Petty nonsence about who loves who the most does not exist there. Which of us does Christ love the most?

Post by **_Gazelam** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:02 am

moksha wrote:
Gazelam wrote: Polygamy makes perfect sense to those reared in the gospel, it is only strange to those from the outside looking in.

Gaz

Even among members there is disagreement about polygamy. Perhaps if you has said, "to those reared by the gospel", but even that would have a disrespectful ting to it. No, it is probably better to just think of polygamy as an aberration and let it go at that.

We worship the God of Abraham, Isacc, and Jacob. They were polygamists.

_Yoda · Post by **_Yoda** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:33 pm

Gazelam wrote:
moksha wrote:
Gazelam wrote: Polygamy makes perfect sense to those reared in the gospel, it is only strange to those from the outside looking in.

Gaz

Even among members there is disagreement about polygamy. Perhaps if you has said, "to those reared by the gospel", but even that would have a disrespectful ting to it. No, it is probably better to just think of polygamy as an aberration and let it go at that.

We worship the God of Abraham, Isacc, and Jacob. They were polygamists.

The catch-22 question is....Abraham, Isacc, and Jacob were polygamists. But were they polygamists based on the cultural nature of that time frame, or because God commanded it?

Polygamy was a cultural norm that was not frowned upon by God. But that is different from polygamy being a commanded way of life.

Why is polygamy not mentioned in the New Testament? The New Testament when Christ came and fulfilled the law?

Why is the marriage emphasis in the New Testament on one man and one woman?

Christ's coming and fulfilling the law was supposed to be the restoration of all things. That's why animal sacrifices ceased to be needed. Animal sacrifices were a symbol of Christ's (the lamb's) sacrifice. The lamb was crucified and resurrected. Therefore, there was no longer a need for this practice.

And if Joseph Smith restored polygamy as a part of the restoration of all things, then why was animal sacrifice also not restored?

There was no need for animal sacrifice to be restored because Jesus fulfilled that law.

That's why this explanation about restoring polygamy has always been on shaky ground with me.

Surprise, Gaz...I graduated from seminary, too.

;)

_Yoda · Post by **_Yoda** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:28 am

*crickets chirping*

Still waiting for a response from Gaz, or any other TBM who would be interested in tackling the issue.

Post by **_Jersey Girl** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:38 am

Gaz

We worship the God of Abraham, Isacc, and Jacob. They were polygamists.

I'd like to see your evidence (not something copied from material from your church) that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were polygamists. I'd like to see evidence (not something copied from material from your church) that their "polygamy" was fully sanctioned by God.

Hint: You'll be quoting from the Old Testament.