Chastity

[_Gazelam]

Abrahams wives and posterity : http://www.abrahams-legacy.org/_domain/ ... -tree.html

[_Gazelam]

*crickets chirping*

Still waiting for a response from Gaz, or any other TBM who would be interested in tackling the issue.

I had to run to the airport to pick up my sister in law, and now I have to go to bed to get my 3 hours sleep before work tommorow.

will rejoin you tommorow.

Gaz

[_harmony]

*crickets chirping*

Still waiting for a response from Gaz, or any other TBM who would be interested in tackling the issue.

I had to run to the airport to pick up my sister in law, and now I have to go to bed to get my 3 hours sleep before work tommorow.

will rejoin you tommorow.

Gaz

Tomorrow is here and the crickets are still chirping.

[_Jersey Girl]

Abrahams wives and posterity : http://www.abrahams-legacy.org/_domain/ ... -tree.html

What has that got to do with the questions I asked you? Nice chart. No dates. Could you answer my questions?

[_Mary]

Gazelam,

What really annoys me about your post on 'we worship the god of...etc etc', is that you are happy to quote biblical practices when it suits you,

Now go and live all of the Old Testament biblical practices and ethics....and I'm sure you'll pretty soon end up in jail...

The Mormon church cherry picks what it wants (or should I say Joseph Smith, in the first instance) as did the early non Mormon polygamists (in the 19th century)..

Go live 100% of the Old Testament ethics and practices and I won't call you a hypocrite...

Mary

[_Inconceivable]

Gazelam,

What really annoys me about your post on 'we worship the god of...etc etc', is that you are happy to quote biblical practices when it suits you,

Now go and live all of the Old Testament biblical practices and ethics....and I'm sure you'll pretty soon end up in jail...

..Mary

As a man thinketh, so is he.

[_Mary]

Gazelam,

What really annoys me about your post on 'we worship the god of...etc etc', is that you are happy to quote biblical practices when it suits you,

Now go and live all of the Old Testament biblical practices and ethics....and I'm sure you'll pretty soon end up in jail...

..Mary

As a man thinketh, so is he.

That's a bit wierd inconceivable....
You tell me what you mean,
and I'll tell you what I meant...
Mary

[_Inconceivable]

Gazelam,

What really annoys me about your post on 'we worship the god of...etc etc', is that you are happy to quote biblical practices when it suits you,

Now go and live all of the Old Testament biblical practices and ethics....and I'm sure you'll pretty soon end up in jail...

..Mary

As a man thinketh, so is he.

That's a bit wierd inconceivable....
You tell me what you mean,
and I'll tell you what I meant...
Mary

sure.

I used to be a TBM literalist before I came to know the immoral manner that poligamy was instituted by Joseph Smith. Discovering what I ignorantly defended vexed me.

Here's a guy (Gaz), that inspite of his awareness of the whoredoms that took place, he calls evil good and good evil.

When a person spends so much effort defending something that a healthy soul would scream to be evil, it begins to become part of them.

Several years ago I discovered that in the early 1970's one of my (very close) relatives gave away his 16 year old daughter to a polygamist. Long story short, she escaped after her "wedding" night and has carried the scars of this abomination ever since. My relative came from polygamist stock. He got caught up in this crap and made it part of his life. He died a Mormon although two of his sons still remain married and live with more than one wife. They have a testimony of the "prophet" Joseph Smith, the first vision, the Book of Mormon and polygamy. They consider themselves Mormons living the "higher" law, persecution complex and all.

I think there is a direct correlation between what a man believes/thinks/advocates/defends and what they can become.

If I was Gaz and believed God said it (the trainwreck called polygamy/Mormon adultery) particularly if I didn't fully understand it, I'd stay out of it and let God defend this mischief Himself.

If it is truly a Celestial Law, assuredly it was never meant for this Telestial Sphere. To a Judeo/Christian living a Terrestrial life, it can only be described by the peaceable as being wicked and a FAILED INSTITUTION.

Consider this:

Celestials: Live/practice it and claim it to be a higher form of virtuous living
Terrestrials: Deplore it, would seek to put an end to it's practice because of it's apparent and obvious abuse.
Telestrials: Would live it for ulterior motives because it could justify antisocial behavior.

what gives?

[_Mary]

Inconceivable,

Thanks....now I know where you are coming from...

In evolutionary terms I can understand that polygamy might be beneficial and even necessary under some circumstances,
but Joseph's attempt at re-instituting it, for whatever reason (and I think his motives were less than admirable on some levels) were a damning
failure. It did him, nor the church any good, genetically, socially and psychologically. I'm not saying that there weren't men who could
practice it with integrity...but the practice has such shaky foundations that I wouldn't want to bet my life on living it. It is a practice for rich and powerful
men. Historically I should suspect it was the same, and it is that way in the Muslim world today. The ancient Jewish New Testament practice of using it as a form of social protection to widows and orphans is much more acceptable in a society that has no monetary welfare system.

What I don't understand is why members are all too quick to jump on the 'Bible did it' bandwagon, without also jumping on
all the 'other' things that the Bible contains in terms of what we would consider to be unethical practice.

Genocide, incest, murder, to name but a few..For me, it's dangerous ground, since you can justify almost anything by using the Bible, particularly the Old Testament as an ethical base.

Mary

[_Yoda]

Inconceivable,

Thanks....now I know where you are coming from...

In evolutionary terms I can understand that polygamy might be beneficial and even necessary under some circumstances,
but Joseph's attempt at re-instituting it, for whatever reason (and I think his motives were less than admirable on some levels) were a damning
failure. It did him, nor the church any good, genetically, socially and psychologically. I'm not saying that there weren't men who could
practice it with integrity...but the practice has such shaky foundations that I wouldn't want to bet my life on living it. It is a practice for rich and powerful
men. Historically I should suspect it was the same, and it is that way in the Muslim world today. The ancient Jewish New Testament practice of using it as a form of social protection to widows and orphans is much more acceptable in a society that has no monetary welfare system.

What I don't understand is why members are all too quick to jump on the 'Bible did it' bandwagon, without also jumping on
all the 'other' things that the Bible contains in terms of what we would consider to be unethical practice.

Genocide, incest, murder, to name but a few..For me, it's dangerous ground, since you can justify almost anything by using the Bible, particularly the Old Testament as an ethical base.

Mary

Exactly! Again, what seems to make more sense is that polygamy was a cultural practice that was not damned, rather than a spiritual practice which was commanded.

I invited Bob Crockett to post his opinions on the matter here. I hope he accepts my invitation.