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dartagnan wrote:This isn't an example at all. It is a straw man. Provide a specific example where the critical argument depends on a particular Egyptian character meaning X whereas John Gee says it can actually mean Y.


I suspect she is referring to Gee's suggestion that Facsimile 3 is a royal Halloween party, wherein pharaoh and the prince are dressed in drag.
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Gee should have spoke on the Book of Abraham - he should speak on what the issues are and what he believes and do it infront of others that have the same Ph.D, but from other universities.
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thestyleguy wrote:Gee should have spoke on the Book of Abraham - he should speak on what the issues are and what he believes and do it infront of others that have the same Ph.D, but from other universities.


Like that's ever going to happen. Besides, I think the church would not allow him to make any presentation like what you just suggested. It would be a deathnell to missionary work to be laughed out of the building.
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thestyleguy wrote:Gee should have spoke on the Book of Abraham - he should speak on what the issues are and what he believes and do it infront of others that have the same Ph.D, but from other universities.


Why? Do you think they are interested in a religious book? You obviously don't understand academia.

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Like that's ever going to happen. Besides, I think the church would not allow him to make any presentation like what you just suggested. It would be a deathnell to missionary work to be laughed out of the building.


This is one of the funniest things you have said, harmony. First, the Church does not decide where individuals speak or don't speak.

Second, deathknell to misisonary work? IF such a talk were to occur, IF Gee were laughed out of the building, it would have no effect on missionary work. You critics ought to figure it out. The critics and anti-Mormons have been calling for the death knell of the Church, of missionary work, of everything to do with the Church for nealry 200 years. And it hasn't happened yet. Supposedly DNA was supposed to kill the Church. Nope. And the temple ceremony on the interent. Didn't happen. We could go on and on. I hope you aren't holding your breath?
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charity wrote:Why? Do you think they are interested in a religious book? You obviously don't understand academia.


This is by far the stupidest thing I have ever seen posted here.
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charity wrote:Why? Do you think they are interested in a religious book? You obviously don't understand academia.


Yes, I'm sure the American Academy of Religion has absolutely no interest in religious books.
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Trevor wrote:
charity wrote:Why? Do you think they are interested in a religious book? You obviously don't understand academia.


This is by far the stupidest thing I have ever seen posted here.


C'mon, Trevor. You sound like you have some knowledge of shclarly matters. Don't pretend that you don't understand the basic difference between the Book of Mormon, and the Books of Abraham and Moses. Any other religious booik has a secular history which can be easily separated from its "religiosity."

Anyone who listens to the anyone speak on any religious material produced by Joseph Smith (however he did it) has to accept angels. It takes the truly mature individual to do that and not feel threatened. Not too many of those around.
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charity wrote:C'mon, Trevor. You sound like you have some knowledge of shclarly matters. Don't pretend that you don't understand the basic difference between the Book of Mormon, and the Books of Abraham and Moses. Any other religious booik has a secular history which can be easily separated from its "religiosity."

Anyone who listens to the anyone speak on any religious material produced by Joseph Smith (however he did it) has to accept angels. It takes the truly mature individual to do that and not feel threatened. Not too many of those around.


The Book of Mormon has a secular history which can be easily separated from its religiosity too. You simply don't accept it. Other do, and these people do take scholarly interest in the Book of Mormon, as I have mentioned before. They do not have to believe in angels to take an interest in the founding documents of Mormonism. To state otherwise is to speak absurdly.

Whatever you meant in your initial statement, which, taken on its own, remains one of the silliest things I have seen posted here, you have not done much to regain ground in this follow-up. One does not have to believe in angels to take scholarly interest in Mormon texts, period.

Without any malice, charity, I encourage you to take a step back and reconsider what you are saying.
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charity wrote:Anyone who listens to the anyone speak on any religious material produced by Joseph Smith (however he did it) has to accept angels. It takes the truly mature individual to do that and not feel threatened. Not too many of those around.


Actually, it takes the truly incredulous naïve gullible individual, or one with an unrevealed agenda. Maturity has nothing to do with it.
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charity wrote: First, the Church does not decide where individuals speak or don't speak.


That depends on who the individuals are. If you don't believe me, ask anyone employed by BYU. They have to watch not only where they speak but what they say... and what they write in letters to the editor. And I believe Dr Gee is employed by BYU. So yes, the church will decide where and what he says.

Second, deathknell to misisonary work? IF such a talk were to occur, IF Gee were laughed out of the building, it would have no effect on missionary work.


Uh huh. And the church's PR department sits around doing nothing all day long. Try again, charity. The church is very careful about what its employees say (see above paragraph).
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