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_truth dancer
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I am not arguing that God did not make concessions for this cultural practice thousands of years ago. It is clear that there were concessions. But there is nothing no command of it. None. It seems more that God tolerated it.
But please go ahead with your assertion that polygamy is a wicked practice.


Hi Jason,

Ahhh you assume God had something to do with the Old Testament. (smile)

These nomadic tribal leaders claimed "God said" for all sorts of atrocities... personally, I don't think God had anything to do with it. Nothing.

God did not command, demand, allow, tolerate, honor, or even comment on the horrors of these rich and powerful men who used women like sex slaves.. because they actually WERE sex slaves.

I tire of people justifying their behavior in the name of God... (sigh).

Have you ever read, The Age of Reason? ;-)

~dancer~

Ohhh just to be clear I do not think YOU are doing this at all... just saying! :-)
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Post by _moksha »

Gazelam wrote:To complete the restoration of all things, apparently on a one-time basis, sacrifices will again be offered in this dispensation.


A couple of old goats? Hey, any chance the old day of Sabbath and the commemoration of the Passover will be restored too?
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Post by _Inconceivable »

truth dancer wrote:Ahhh you assume God had something to do with the Old Testament. (smile)

..I tire of people justifying their behavior in the name of God... (sigh).

~dancer~




exactly.
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Post by _Jason Bourne »

truth dancer wrote:
I am not arguing that God did not make concessions for this cultural practice thousands of years ago. It is clear that there were concessions. But there is nothing no command of it. None. It seems more that God tolerated it.
But please go ahead with your assertion that polygamy is a wicked practice.


Hi Jason,

Ahhh you assume God had something to do with the Old Testament. (smile)

These nomadic tribal leaders claimed "God said" for all sorts of atrocities... personally, I don't think God had anything to do with it. Nothing.

God did not command, demand, allow, tolerate, honor, or even comment on the horrors of these rich and powerful men who used women like sex slaves.. because they actually WERE sex slaves.

I tire of people justifying their behavior in the name of God... (sigh).

Have you ever read, The Age of Reason? ;-)

~dancer~

Ohhh just to be clear I do not think YOU are doing this at all... just saying! :-)



You must keep in mind that Gaz is arguing that the Old Testament allowed polygamy, and that it was quite fine with God and the LDS polygamy is a restoration of that polygamy. Since GAz believes it my point is the Law and Old Testament seems to tolerate it not command it. Whether God was involved can be debated. But since Gaz believes God was I am asking him to show where God commanded it and required it for exaltation in the Old Testament. Make sense?
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Jason wrote:You must keep in mind that Gaz is arguing that the Old Testament allowed polygamy, and that it was quite fine with God and the LDS polygamy is a restoration of that polygamy. Since GAz believes it my point is the Law and Old Testament seems to tolerate it not command it. Whether God was involved can be debated. But since Gaz believes God was I am asking him to show where God commanded it and required it for exaltation in the Old Testament. Make sense?


Yes, it makes sense to me...and frankly, Gaz has failed to show this.

He is simply stating that because Joseph Smith and the D&C says it to be so, that should be enough for us to go on.

I am frankly, not convinced that Joseph Smith didn't have an ulterior motive, and I certainly do NOT have a testimony of section 132.

So the impasse continues.

I agree with Jason. Where, is it stated, ANYWHERE, in the Old Testament, New Testament, or the Book of Mormon (the other testament of Christ and cornerstone to our religion), that polygamy is a commandment of God?
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Post by _The Nehor »

The question then is whether polygamy was commanded by God in the Old Testament or tolerated by him?
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Post by _Yoda »

The Nehor wrote:The question then is whether polygamy was commanded by God in the Old Testament or tolerated by him?


That is the question. Maybe it deserves it's own thread, since it's kind of gone off the beaten path of this OP.
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Post by _Gazelam »

I know my posts ar elengthy, but you may have noticed this scripture:

"And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul; And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things." 2 Samuel 12:7-8


Note that God himself gave David the wives he had. I'd say that qualifies as sponsorship of the practice.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
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Post by _Yoda »

Gazelam wrote:I know my posts ar elengthy, but you may have noticed this scripture:

"And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul; And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things." 2 Samuel 12:7-8


Note that God himself gave David the wives he had. I'd say that qualifies as sponsorship of the practice.


Gaz...Do you mind if I move this post over to my polygamy thread, and we'll discuss this further?

I have some comments and questions.
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