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Post by _jskains »

No "this" is not the problem. You have made a judgment about people and activities here. In that judgment, you are doing the very thing you claim to "not get"...complain and judge. If you really don't like what we do, then just leave us alone. If you understood psychology, you'd know that this sort of discussion can be quite therapeutic to many.

But I think the real issue is that you want a little attention. That's where the diagnosis "grandiosity" fits.

Look it up and think about it.


I made a judgement about a group of people on a website dedicated on bashing my religion? I made a judgement about a group of people that are so angry about my religious choice that they actively promote ideas about brainwashing, bigotry, death, and destruction?

So can I say by your own standards - If you don't like Mormonism, why not leave US alone? Perhaps your diagnosis of grandiosity fits in a reflection of yourself rather than me, your target. You can't go around slandering a bunch of people and not expect a reaction.

You need to look at yourself and figure out why you spend so much time hating a group of people you don't agree with. I don't hate you, yet you attacked me, demanding I talk to my imaginary psychologist, going down a rather low road of insult.

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Post by _jskains »

If you understood psychology, you'd know that this sort of discussion can be quite therapeutic to many.


Let me point out that most psychologists I have talked with (I do computer work for a major university and have friends that are psychologists) do NOT find discussion boards thereputic. They find them somewhat dangerous. It forces a person to dwell on something they actually should move on from. Nothing about this board promotes healthy discussion that would be considered by ANY psychologist worth the paper of their diploma as a legit mechnism for therapy.

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Post by _the road to hana »

jskains wrote: I don't hate you, yet you attacked me, demanding I talk to my imaginary psychologist, going down a rather low road of insult.


No. One has nothing to do with the other. No one is "demanding" that you talk to anyone.

But if you were bleeding, we'd hope you'd get medical help. If you were injured, we'd hope you'd get medical help. If you were ill, we'd hope you'd get medical help.

Period.
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Post by _asbestosman »

jskains wrote:Why do you have to be nasty? I don't get that part.

Why are you wasting your time on them when you know they won't change? I don't get that myself.
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"Once I was Mormon and now I woke up" is hate speech?
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Post by _truth dancer »

Hi Josh... Nice to "see" you~ :-)

First, why not start a thread of an interesting topic you would like to discuss, post your thoughts respectfully, and see if there can't be decent discussion?

Personally I think there are many great conversations here that are respectful and interesting... so long as folks do their best to act with care and decency things seem to go pretty well.

Also, the Celestial forum is even more respectful than this one, it is also moderated... you may want to post your topic there.

To answer your question about hate... I have not noticed anyone here who truly hates the LDS church. Of course I may be mistaken, but could you please give us some examples of posts that you think demonstrate someone's HATRED toward church? Maybe that would help us understand you better.

:-)



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Post by _BishopRic »

jskains wrote:
No "this" is not the problem. You have made a judgment about people and activities here. In that judgment, you are doing the very thing you claim to "not get"...complain and judge. If you really don't like what we do, then just leave us alone. If you understood psychology, you'd know that this sort of discussion can be quite therapeutic to many.

But I think the real issue is that you want a little attention. That's where the diagnosis "grandiosity" fits.

Look it up and think about it.


I made a judgement about a group of people on a website dedicated on bashing my religion?


Yes, and further, you are making a judgment as to what and why "we" do it, a step you are (apparently) not qualified to do. YOU came on here with a vengeance, made a youtube video, etc., to slam us for what we do, when the very "slamming" you do smacks of your own hypocrisy.

I made a judgement about a group of people that are so angry about my religious choice that they actively promote ideas about brainwashing, bigotry, death, and destruction?


Yes you did. It happens all the time in our society where free speech is revered.

So can I say by your own standards - If you don't like Mormonism, why not leave US alone?


YOU can say anything you'd like, just as we can. I doubt your comments will slow any of us down though, since we see some of the discussions we have as beneficial to us and others who are questioning. You see, the LDS church has presented many of us members and former members a story about its history that has been dramatically sanitized. Some of the historical facts they have conveniently left out may have an impact on how involved we (and others) might want to be in the church.

So the problem really is that "you" are not the church. "We" are not attacking you, we are discussing the church. As much as many Mormons want to personalize their commitment to the church, "it" is not "them." When you can separate the two, you might be able to get a thicker skin and not take offense so easily.

Perhaps your diagnosis of grandiosity fits in a reflection of yourself rather than me, your target. You can't go around slandering a bunch of people and not expect a reaction.


Read above. "We" are not slandering "you." We are discussing the church and its effects on people. Big difference.

You need to look at yourself...


No, I don't "need" to do anything. Your insinuation of such implies codependency. If "you" are bothered by what we do here, then "you" have an issue. That is why many are suggestion to you to get professional help. "We" are okay with the discussions here...the fact that you are not means you might benefit from intervention.

For what it's worth, from a professional counselor.
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Post by _charity »

You guys are funny. He calls you for something, and you start hurling insults. And yet so many threads over the last few days were all about how that is what MA&D does! You can dish it out, but you can't take it.

I think somebody besides jskains needs some help.
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Post by _beastie »

Yes, Josh is the innocent victim of people who are just plain mean.

I wonder how this post would be received at MAD?


One of the constant claims is that exmormons HATE the Mormon church... But considering the facts and mechanisms in play, I fail to see it. Worse, I fail to see how exmormons HATE the Mormon church anymore than Mormons HATE exmormons.

For example, Mormonism runs off fear based control. "If you don't follow our teachings, you will not be with your family in the next life". Or "if you leave the church it is because you want to sin and are not a worthy person". So how are these fear based concepts fine, but exMormons somehow are HATE-filled?


Mormons like to dance and flail about, I know. It's now comical looking into it these days. Now that I am going to be a father, I have realized how important it is to understand the world as it is and deal with reality, rather than construct an alternate fantasy. Dealing with reality a positive light in a very dark world. Religious violence is common, religion seems to influence darker impulses in people, the most volatile and dangerous parts of the world are embroiled in religious conflict..... I am frightened of the world that I am bringing a child into. Ultimately it looks like people need to HATE something, and for Mormons, they get that high by trying to accuse exmormons of HATING the church.



Ultimately, Josh, you can just walk away. The vast majority of Mormons in this world don’t feel the need or desire to look for and post on boards with exmormons, for any reason, much less just to tell them what horrible human beings they are. Is something going wrong in your life and you’re just looking for something to hate and blame?
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.

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Post by _BishopRic »

charity wrote:You guys are funny. He calls you for something, and you start hurling insults. And yet so many threads over the last few days were all about how that is what MA&D does! You can dish it out, but you can't take it.

I think somebody besides jskains needs some help.


Of course you do.
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