I'm so glad the church spares no expense...

Post by **_Moniker** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:55 pm

LCD2YOU wrote:
The Nehor wrote:Don't tell me how to spend my money and I won't tell you how to spend yours.
That's fair but in Utah, can I walk into a club and get a drink? No, I have to by a "membership".

What?

Post by **_the road to hana** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:26 pm

Moniker wrote:
LCD2YOU wrote:
The Nehor wrote:Don't tell me how to spend my money and I won't tell you how to spend yours.
That's fair but in Utah, can I walk into a club and get a drink? No, I have to by a "membership".

What?

http://www.slcparty.com/Laws.htm

Post by **_LCD2YOU** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:31 pm

Moniker wrote:
LCD2YOU wrote:
The Nehor wrote:Don't tell me how to spend my money and I won't tell you how to spend yours.
That's fair but in Utah, can I walk into a club and get a drink? No, I have to by a "membership".
What?

Beer in Utah is limited to 3.2% alcohol. Clubs and other places of nightlife require memberships.

Like "Port o' Call" on 4th South is a great place but I had to buy a "membership" to get into the place.

Resturants with bar facilities are unaffected but they are limited in the selection they can carry.

Post by **_Moniker** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:37 pm

the road to hana wrote:
Moniker wrote:
LCD2YOU wrote:
The Nehor wrote:Don't tell me how to spend my money and I won't tell you how to spend yours.
That's fair but in Utah, can I walk into a club and get a drink? No, I have to by a "membership".

What?

http://www.slcparty.com/Laws.htm

Huh. So it's really a cover charge that they veil in the terms of "membership". That's sorta odd. I suppose that would deter people away from entering. When I think of "private clubs" I think naughty things are occurring in them. Hm. Suppose that's the point?

Post by **_Moniker** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:38 pm

LCD2YOU wrote:
Moniker wrote:
LCD2YOU wrote:
The Nehor wrote:Don't tell me how to spend my money and I won't tell you how to spend yours.
That's fair but in Utah, can I walk into a club and get a drink? No, I have to by a "membership".
What?
Beer in Utah is limited to 3.2% alcohol. Clubs and other places of nightlife require memberships.

Like "Port o' Call" on 4th South is a great place but I had to buy a "membership" to get into the place.

Resturants with bar facilities are unaffected but they are limited in the selection they can carry.

You have to buy a full "membership" and you can't just pay the cover charge? Wow. Utah is weird.

Post by **_the road to hana** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:40 pm

Moniker wrote:
the road to hana wrote:
Moniker wrote:
LCD2YOU wrote:
The Nehor wrote:Don't tell me how to spend my money and I won't tell you how to spend yours.
That's fair but in Utah, can I walk into a club and get a drink? No, I have to by a "membership".

What?

http://www.slcparty.com/Laws.htm

Huh. So it's really a cover charge that they veil in the terms of "membership". That's sorta odd. I suppose that would deter people away from entering. When I think of "private clubs" I think naughty things are occurring in them. Hm. Suppose that's the point?

No, even in the hotels one has to purchase a membership (albeit temporary) in order to enter and purchase/consume alcohol.
http://www.littleamerica.com/slc/d5.html

Post by **_Moniker** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:42 pm

Well all I can say to that is "Good grief!"

Hey Nehor, do you have a problem with the Church (through the means of public policy in Utah) controlling how those not LDS can spend their money?

Post by **_The Nehor** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:43 pm

LCD2YOU wrote:
The Nehor wrote:I pay my Tithing. I know it goes to things like this. I accept it primarily because there is no more worthy cause than my Creator, not even the poor. I love Temples and value them.
From reading your posts Nehor, I consider you a good person, someone who I'd listen to on matters of morality and consider what you say with great weight.

Now, I'm am not saying this statement will make me stop listening to you or stop considering you as a moral individual.

But it is this thing that I dispise not just in LDS circles but any religious group that gives more money to their "God" then they do to others, especially the poor.

Let me ask you this.

"God" is our parent, our father, right?

So we our his children.

Now, if you go by a house where the kids are starving, beating each other to death, etc., and you see the dad's room opulent, with whatever creature comfort you want to give to place in that area, what would you think about that "dad"? My answer, what a scumbag.
The Nehor wrote:I think most of those who complain about Temples have a reasonable way to object. Stop going. In fact protest by not visiting Temples or wanting to (this should nip the complaints about people not being allowed in for Temple Weddings in the bud as well).
As people should do with strip clubs, bars and other places "they don't like".
The Nehor wrote:Don't tell me how to spend my money and I won't tell you how to spend yours.
That's fair but in Utah, can I walk into a club and get a drink? No, I have to by a "membership".

See, it cuts both ways.

In regards to poverty, I look at it differently. I see the father living well and the children moved out and on their own. God gave us a planet to inhabit. Some somehow got the idea that they are the rightful heirs and others are not. God's solution and explanation: D&C 38:24-27.

Your drinking situation is the same all over. There are 'dry' areas here. Talk to your elected representative.

Post by **_The Nehor** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:46 pm

Moniker wrote:Well all I can say to that is "Good grief!"

Hey Nehor, do you have a problem with the Church (through the means of public policy in Utah) controlling how those not LDS can spend their money?

Down here in Texas we call that majority rule and we call them elected representatives not the Church. If you find Utah unpalatable and are unable to change it there are 49 other options out there. I would advise against California though ;)

Post by **_Moniker** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:52 pm

The Nehor wrote:
Moniker wrote:Well all I can say to that is "Good grief!"

Hey Nehor, do you have a problem with the Church (through the means of public policy in Utah) controlling how those not LDS can spend their money?

Down here in Texas we call that majority rule and we call them elected representatives not the Church. If you find Utah unpalatable and are unable to change it there are 49 other options out there. I would advise against California though ;)

Oh haha. Yer so clever!

For sure the elected representatives are enacting policy that reflect their constituents desires. You want to make a case that the majority rule in Utah is not LDS and are not attempting to control how those that are not LDS may spend their money? Sure, there is plenty of legislation that attempts to reign in people in their quest to be naughty. But in the case of Utah it's obvious that there is an agenda from those that see drinking and the nightlife as sinful. I have no problem with people choosing how they want legislation to reflect their morality -- yet, YOU were the one that chided others for telling you how to spend your money. Is there no double standard here? The LDS in Utah (through legislation) have enacted barriers from others spending their money as they choose.