Q for Shades about 911 conspiracy

[_Dr. Shades]

Shades, what's your evidence?

Okay, I'll get sucked in.

My evidence is at this site.

But I'll list a few of the things that immediately caught my eye on 9/11 itself:

• The airplane wreckage at the Pentagon magically disappeared into thin air. If a plane--as opposed to a missile--smashed into the Pentagon, where was the wreckage?
• The towers magically went into free-fall. They survived the impact and the jet fuel ignition, but not the fire afterward? That makes the only two times in human history that steel reinforced towers have fallen to the ground, especially into their own footprints, due only to fire.
• Building 7 magically went into free fall after being neither struck by airplanes nor being on fire. Sensitive--some say incriminating--FBI documents just happened to be stored inside. Neat coincidence, eh?

So, that's the (extremely) short list. Much of the other evidence is at the link above.

[_Moniker]

Shades, what's your evidence?

Okay, I'll get sucked in.

My evidence is at this site.

But I'll list a few of the things that immediately caught my eye on 9/11 itself:

• The airplane wreckage at the Pentagon magically disappeared into thin air. If a plane--as opposed to a missile--smashed into the Pentagon, where was the wreckage?
• The towers magically went into free-fall. They survived the impact and the jet fuel ignition, but not the fire afterward? That makes the only two times in human history that steel reinforced towers have fallen to the ground, especially into their own footprints, due only to fire.
• Building 7 magically went into free fall after being neither struck by airplanes nor being on fire. Sensitive--some say incriminating--FBI documents just happened to be stored inside. Neat coincidence, eh?

So, that's the (extremely) short list. Much of the other evidence is at the link above.

There was wreckage at the Pentagon. I've seen pictures of it in news accounts. My father worked in the Pentagon for years -- one of his friends died that day, and other friends of his took pictures and there was wreckage, there were "bits and pieces" of the passengers of that plane evident as well. There are news accounts that document this as well.

Building 7 was on fire. There were tanks of diesel fuel in building 7 that fueled the fire.

[_Who Knows]

The airplane wreckage at the Pentagon magically disappeared into thin air. If a plane--as opposed to a missile--smashed into the Pentagon, where was the wreckage?

They did find wreckage. There are pictures of the wreckage.

the towers magically went into free-fall. They survived the impact and the jet fuel ignition, but not the fire afterward? That makes the only two times in human history that steel reinforced towers have fallen to the ground, especially into their own footprints, due only to fire.

I'm not sure that commercial airplanes crashing into buildings is really comparable to plain old ordinary building fires. And it's been shown that the impact and resulting fire could have caused the buildings to collapse.

Building 7 magically went into free fall after being neither struck by airplanes nor being on fire. Sensitive--some say incriminating--FBI documents just happened to be stored inside. Neat coincidence, eh?

It was severely damaged, and was on fire.

You really need to read through the Popular Mechanics article. Sounds like you haven't yet.

[_Imwashingmypirate]

I remember, one of the pentagon sides was hit. Apparently that plane never intended to hit it but lost control. I find it funny that Notradamus (although I don't tend to believe much of him) claimed that when the pentagon had been broken through the world would end. But he also said the millenium was the end (although due to change in time and dates and the exacteness of Jesus' birth, we don't actually know when the millenium is). He also talked about the end was when the son with the same name as his father would follow him in leadership, which suggest bush. And I believe there was something about the eagle, which is America but in the Bible is most likely a plane. There are many 'coincidences' of 9/11. I think it might have been an inside Job. But not the type you guys might think. If I were to explain I might get certified. But I don't like that 9/11 led to the war in Iraq because it had very little if anything to do with Iraq.

[_Moniker]

I remember, one of the pentagon sides was hit. Apparently that plane never intended to hit it but lost control.

The Pentagon was a target. There was a 4th target, yet, the plane that would have hit the 4th target crashed in a Pennsylvania field when passengers on the plane went into the cockpit to try to retake control of the plane from those that had hijacked it.

[_Imwashingmypirate]

Ah I see. I got a little confused. Just listening to a journal of mathematical physics. I missed the start because I burned my toast.:(

[_Bryan Inks]

The airplane wreckage at the Pentagon magically disappeared into thin air. If a plane--as opposed to a missile--smashed into the Pentagon, where was the wreckage?

They did find wreckage. There are pictures of the wreckage.

No, there are pictures of aluminum pieces on the grass. Not plane wreckage. I did find a site that claimed to have photographic proof of engine parts, landing gear, etc. but it was proven that most of the images were taken from other wrecks.

Nor has there been any photographic evidence of passengers, luggage, seats, the *supposedly* undestructible "Black Box".

the towers magically went into free-fall. They survived the impact and the jet fuel ignition, but not the fire afterward? That makes the only two times in human history that steel reinforced towers have fallen to the ground, especially into their own footprints, due only to fire.

I'm not sure that commercial airplanes crashing into buildings is really comparable to plain old ordinary building fires. And it's been shown that the impact and resulting fire could have caused the buildings to collapse.

And the explosions in the basements, that sheared through (at a precise angle) internal structural supports were some how, magically, caused by a plane impact at the top?

Also, jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel. And if by some magical explanation it could, the temperatures would be too intense for an unprotected human to stand. . . and yet, we have pictures and video of people standing right there on the floors that were supposedly hot enough to melt steel.

Building 7 magically went into free fall after being neither struck by airplanes nor being on fire. Sensitive--some say incriminating--FBI documents just happened to be stored inside. Neat coincidence, eh?

It was severely damaged, and was on fire.

Two or three fires does not "severely damaged" make. There have been countless building fires that were larger and burned longer yet somehow, all of those buildings managed to not collapse.

At this point, I'm arguing for arguing sake. I don't expect you're going to change my mind nor am I going to change yours.

I will say this though. . . I don't think we'll ever know what really happened that day. There's evidence for both sides of the argument (though in my opinion it leads a different direction) and we'll just have to accept that.

[_Dr. Shades]

You really need to read through the Popular Mechanics article. Sounds like you haven't yet.

I got done reading it yesterday. I'm gonna have to echo Bryan Inks on this one. Sure, some token bits of metal were planted here and there, but not an entire airplane's worth by any means.

I strongly feel that the evidence outlined in the video to which I linked was far more persuasive--and pervasive--than the token testimonials on the Popular Mechanics website.

[_Who Knows]

My 2 biggest questions are:

- Why did bush just sit there with the schoolkids well after he was told about the attacks?
- Why weren't the fighter jets more responsive?

However, I tend to believe those were a result of bush's idiocy and incompetence (based on his track record), rather than any big cover-up.

[_Who Knows]

You really need to read through the Popular Mechanics article. Sounds like you haven't yet.

I got done reading it yesterday. I'm gonna have to echo Bryan Inks on this one. Sure, some token bits of metal were planted here and there, but not an entire airplane's worth by any means.

I strongly feel that the evidence outlined in the video to which I linked was far more persuasive--and pervasive--than the token testimonials on the Popular Mechanics website.

When I have 2 spare hours sometime, i'll get around to watching that video.