MADB

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Imwashingmypirate,

Indeed you are :)

...'fractal' dimensions huh?
Here's the reference at the bottom of that wiki:

http://math.bu.edu/DYSYS/chaos-game/node6.html

Also - a bit of a duh moment - a conceptual 'point' has 0 dimensions.

Note - however - that the article talks about the concept in purely mathematical terms. I didn't see a proposed way to map this concept to real world examples - although I'm sure it's possible and I'm just not seeing it yet...

[_Imwashingmypirate]

I am trying to state (in my blog and else where) that there are infinate numbers of quantised dimension. And the higher up they are, the more complicated they are. I am guessing eating ip gloss isn't a good idea, right? But also dimensions within dimensions, like a mass web of dimensions of all kinds. Thus horizontal as well as vertical, but also [ argh brain scramble!!!] in every dimension. Am I making sense?

[_Imwashingmypirate]

It's quite hard to contemplate. that's why I don't try to visualise it, but instead I feel it. In a higher energy sort of way. Like when I was talking about increasing in dimensions by leaving lower dimensions behind. It is not possible to understand/comprehend many things in abstract Maths and so the only way to gain better understanding would be to NOT try to visualise it as this will take away the infinate(pureness) of it and your own mind won't find it easy to get back to that pureness side of it.

[_Ren]

I am trying to state (in my blog and else where) that there are infinate numbers of quantised dimension. And the higher up they are, the more complicated they are. I am guessing eating ip gloss isn't a good idea, right? But also dimensions within dimensions, like a mass web of dimensions of all kinds. Thus horizontal as well as vertical, but also [ argh brain scramble!!!] in every dimension. Am I making sense?

I think you are. I think my main problem with statements like the above is I don't see the firm connection with reality. They could make sense if you take mathematical concepts and 'run with them', but that's different...

I believe that 'far out' concepts are more than possible. We live in a QM universe - who's gonna say that reality is only limited to what we would call the 'mundane'.

However, that doesn't mean that literally anything imaginable is literally true. The missing link in your explanations and ideas is the solid theory to cover them and the experiments to prove it.

[_Ren]

It's quite hard to contemplate. that's why I don't try to visualise it, but instead I feel it. In a higher energy sort of way. Like when I was talking about increasing in dimensions by leaving lower dimensions behind. It is not possible to understand/comprehend many things in abstract Maths and so the only way to gain better understanding would be to NOT try to visualise it as this will take away the infinate(pureness) of it and your own mind won't find it easy to get back to that pureness side of it.

I get that - and I 'respect' that. But it's also where we'll have to agree to disagree :)

Again - QM is a thoroughly messed up concept.
An answer pops out of a Quantum Computer before you've put the question in?! I mean - WTF!

...I'm not against concepts that seem to defy common understanding. I'm against regarding concepts as 'true' because my 'gut' says so.

QM is nuts. But it's also based on solid science.

[_Imwashingmypirate]

It is not anything imaginable. There is nothing imaginable that does not exist. Everything you imagine is made up of parts of things that already exist. So anything new and not necesarly made up of parts is more than likely to be real. Try this experiment, Try to imagine a creature no one has ever heard of and describe it on here. Then break it down. Where does it come from?


Also, how does one get factual proof of something incomprehendable. By getting 'earthly' facts, one is completely destroying the whole aspect of it. There will never be factual proof until we are in that state of mind. When we leave the spatial dimensions and enter a higher more perfect dimension.
And even then people will still ask for actual proof. Only when one is in complete form in the fullness of dimensions, will they see the wholeness and know for sure because they will have whole factual proof, they will be experiencing "The Everything" all at one.

[_Imwashingmypirate]

It's quite hard to contemplate. that's why I don't try to visualise it, but instead I feel it. In a higher energy sort of way. Like when I was talking about increasing in dimensions by leaving lower dimensions behind. It is not possible to understand/comprehend many things in abstract Maths and so the only way to gain better understanding would be to NOT try to visualise it as this will take away the infinate(pureness) of it and your own mind won't find it easy to get back to that pureness side of it.

I get that - and I 'respect' that. But it's also where we'll have to agree to disagree :)

Again - QM is a thoroughly messed up concept.
An answer pops out of a Quantum Computer before you've put the question in?! I mean - WTF!

...I'm not against concepts that seem to defy common understanding. I'm against regarding concepts as 'true' because my 'gut' says so.

QM is nuts. But it's also based on solid science.

But there is more than QM, far more. There are loads of things out there. Look at Matrix mechanics and topology. There is way more than just QM. And it all fits together in one peice in it's entirety.

An answer pops out of a Quantum Computer before you've put the question in?! I mean - WTF!

Well duh. that's the whole point. Think of probability theory, this links back into topology a bit.

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There is nothing imaginable that does not exist.

We must be thinking of very different things when we say 'exist'.

Try this experiment, Try to imagine a creature no one has ever heard of and describe it on here. Then break it down. Where does it come from?

How about this...
I'm imagining a 'square circle' right now...

Also, how does one get factual proof of something incomprehendable.

I don't think anybody truly comprehends QM either. The famous line is:
"If you claim to understand QM, then you don't really understand QM"

But we have 'factual proof' that it's 'real'. Scientific proof.

By getting 'earthly' facts, one is completely destroying the whole aspect of it. There will never be factual proof until we are in that state of mind. When we leave the spatial dimensions and enter a higher more perfect dimension.

I know that you believe that. And that's fine with me...

And even then people will still ask for actual proof. Only when one is in complete form in the fullness of dimensions, will they see the wholeness and know for sure because they will have whole factual proof, they will be experiencing "The Everything" all at one.

This doesn't come across to me much differently than: "Until you get a spiritual witness of the LDS church, you can't 'really' comment on whether it is true or not".

[_Ren]

But there is more than QM, far more.

I haven't said their isn't Pirate :)

What I'm saying is, what I term as 'true' (in the 'real' world) is what has been scientifically proven to be true. That's my 'standard' of what is true or not.
...everything else is stuff that 'could be true', and we may even prove it one day...

[_Ren]

Well duh. that's the whole point.

"If you claim to understand QM, then you don't really understand QM"