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ozemc wrote:
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2. Gun control. Most Mormons believe that they have a right to bear arms and that it is close to revelatory status. They are wrong. Guns should be banned.



So, you don't agree with the US Constitution?


In 1939 (within a year or so), the U.S. Supreme Court held that the 2nd Amendment was not intended to apply to the private ownership of guns. In that case, a person convicted of possessing a saw-off shotgun asserted the 2nd Amendment as a defense.

So, I am rather surprised that the Supreme Court has taken the matter up again with a similar case -- the case is set for oral argument I believe, but I fully expect the Supreme Court to follow the 1939 precedent.

Even so, what has Mormonism to do with gun control?
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rcrocket wrote:2. Gun control. Most Mormons believe that they have a right to bear arms and that it is close to revelatory status. They are wrong. Guns should be banned.

Why? I remember several years ago that there was a school shooting in the Netherlands despite the fact that guns are illegal there. Also, it seems to me that plenty of murders occur without the use of guns (knives, poison, rope, candlestick, etc.).
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Current U.S. laws are racist and bigoted.


Would you mind backing this up with some facts?


Maybe he is against the laws that prevent child rape, even child rape committed by a "prophet of gawd".

That IS what you meant, right Crockett?


I don't think your G.E.D. qualifies you to follow political argument. Don't you agree?
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rcrocket wrote:I have first-hand knowledge of observing the trafficking of bales of marijuana across the Montana border in heavy-duty transport trucks.


So...uh, you wouldn't happen to know where those bales are right now would you? I've got ... uhh...glaucoma and need therapy.
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asbestosman wrote:
rcrocket wrote:2. Gun control. Most Mormons believe that they have a right to bear arms and that it is close to revelatory status. They are wrong. Guns should be banned.

Why? I remember several years ago that there was a school shooting in the Netherlands despite the fact that guns are illegal there. Also, it seems to me that plenty of murders occur without the use of guns (knives, poison, rope, candlestick, etc.).


And, so, what does this have to do with Mormonism?
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rcrocket wrote:
Mercury wrote:
dartagnan wrote:
Current U.S. laws are racist and bigoted.


Would you mind backing this up with some facts?


Maybe he is against the laws that prevent child rape, even child rape committed by a "prophet of gawd".

That IS what you meant, right Crockett?


I don't think your G.E.D. qualifies you to follow political argument. Don't you agree?


My degree qualifies me to speak about technical matters far above your ability. The education I received while obtaining my degree certainly does. I took enough poli sci and history courses to discuss political matters, so kiss my ass.
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rcrocket wrote:
ozemc wrote:
rcrocket wrote:
2. Gun control. Most Mormons believe that they have a right to bear arms and that it is close to revelatory status. They are wrong. Guns should be banned.



So, you don't agree with the US Constitution?


In 1939 (within a year or so), the U.S. Supreme Court held that the 2nd Amendment was not intended to apply to the private ownership of guns. In that case, a person convicted of possessing a saw-off shotgun asserted the 2nd Amendment as a defense.

So, I am rather surprised that the Supreme Court has taken the matter up again with a similar case -- the case is set for oral argument I believe, but I fully expect the Supreme Court to follow the 1939 precedent.

Even so, what has Mormonism to do with gun control?


Well you will have to pry my gun from my cold dead hands.
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rcrocket wrote:
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rcrocket wrote:2. Gun control. Most Mormons believe that they have a right to bear arms and that it is close to revelatory status. They are wrong. Guns should be banned.

Why? I remember several years ago that there was a school shooting in the Netherlands despite the fact that guns are illegal there. Also, it seems to me that plenty of murders occur without the use of guns (knives, poison, rope, candlestick, etc.).


And, so, what does this have to do with Mormonism?


You're the one who brought up that guns should be banned. How does that sentence relate to Mormonism?

I agree that the church has no official stance on the subject. However, that's still not the same as saying that they should be banned. Saying that guns should be banned does not appear to have anything to do with Mormonism. Why, then, did you bring it up?
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rcrocket wrote:
asbestosman wrote:
rcrocket wrote:2. Gun control. Most Mormons believe that they have a right to bear arms and that it is close to revelatory status. They are wrong. Guns should be banned.

Why? I remember several years ago that there was a school shooting in the Netherlands despite the fact that guns are illegal there. Also, it seems to me that plenty of murders occur without the use of guns (knives, poison, rope, candlestick, etc.).


And, so, what does this have to do with Mormonism?


I don't know why you are so down on guns Crockett. How else would Porter Rockwell have attempted to assassinate Boggs? Maybe Joe should have told Porter to use a knife instead.
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rcrocket wrote:
ozemc wrote:
rcrocket wrote:
2. Gun control. Most Mormons believe that they have a right to bear arms and that it is close to revelatory status. They are wrong. Guns should be banned.



So, you don't agree with the US Constitution?


In 1939 (within a year or so), the U.S. Supreme Court held that the 2nd Amendment was not intended to apply to the private ownership of guns. In that case, a person convicted of possessing a saw-off shotgun asserted the 2nd Amendment as a defense.

So, I am rather surprised that the Supreme Court has taken the matter up again with a similar case -- the case is set for oral argument I believe, but I fully expect the Supreme Court to follow the 1939 precedent.

Even so, what has Mormonism to do with gun control?


I don't think it has anything to do with gun control.

I don't agree with your analysis of the 2nd amendment case.

As to the Miller case in 1939, I would refer you to this: http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndsup.html
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