whats wrong with a little wine?

[_why me]

I still cringe when I see a catholic priest smoking a cigarette.

So you take your judgemental Mormon baggage over to judge Catholic priests. You forget that God is the judge if you believe in God. It is just plain amazing to me that this WofW stuff can be taken to such self-righteous limits.

But here is the catch. The catholic priest can take a vow of poverty. Where I am located, all priests live near the church. They seem to own very little. Hence, I cringe when I see a priest smoking a cigarette. Plus, they live on tithes or a small 'salary'. I don't think that it is proper for a priest to smoke nor do I think it would be proper for a nun to smoke and I haven't seen a smoking nun yet.

[_harmony]

But here is the catch. The catholic priest can take a vow of poverty. Where I am located, all priests live near the church. They seem to own very little. Hence, I cringe when I see a priest smoking a cigarette. Plus, they live on tithes or a small 'salary'. I don't think that it is proper for a priest to smoke nor do I think it would be proper for a nun to smoke and I haven't seen a smoking nun yet.

So you object to a priest using his money to do what he wants to do, when he is not forbidden to do that which you object to?

[_why me]

I still cringe when I see a catholic priest smoking a cigarette.

So you take your judgemental Mormon baggage over to judge Catholic priests. You forget that God is the judge if you believe in God. It is just plain amazing to me that this WofW stuff can be taken to such self-righteous limits.

In the big picture that cigarette or glass of wine doesn't save you nor condemn you. The WofW was a suggestion that has taken legalism to the max. The doctrine itself is confusing and obscure and yet it is interpreted with such judgemental exactness. The Mormons as a majority don't even know what's in the doctrine. I bet it doesn't even enter your mind when you eat that Big Mac but you will judge the guy next to you having a cup of joe.

I judge no one their coffee. But I also know that too much coffee is not very good for the health and it can lead to a caffeine addiction. And many Americans are drinking decaf these days for that very reason. There is nothing wrong with a big mac. I can have one every now and then.

The word of wisdom was ahead of its time and that being the case, the revelation was timely and important for the health of the saints.

[_why me]

But here is the catch. The catholic priest can take a vow of poverty. Where I am located, all priests live near the church. They seem to own very little. Hence, I cringe when I see a priest smoking a cigarette. Plus, they live on tithes or a small 'salary'. I don't think that it is proper for a priest to smoke nor do I think it would be proper for a nun to smoke and I haven't seen a smoking nun yet.

So you object to a priest using his money to do what he wants to do, when he is not forbidden to do that which you object to?

I don't forbid him his cigarette, I just cringe when I see it. Fortunately I don't see it happening very much. However, I do like the catholic movie 'Going My Way' with Bing Cosby and he smokes a pipe. Perhaps a pipe I can handle...if its Bing.

Also, you need to understand that catholics also have the notion of body as a place of holiness for the holy spirit, I believe. And so, I cringe.

[_why me]

I also heard that Mormons don't really live longer. Just no drinking, smoking, and running around makes it seems longer.

It seems that catholic nuns live forever. They also don't drink (maybe a sip at a celebration depending on the order), smoke or run around.

[_harmony]

But here is the catch. The catholic priest can take a vow of poverty. Where I am located, all priests live near the church. They seem to own very little. Hence, I cringe when I see a priest smoking a cigarette. Plus, they live on tithes or a small 'salary'. I don't think that it is proper for a priest to smoke nor do I think it would be proper for a nun to smoke and I haven't seen a smoking nun yet.

So you object to a priest using his money to do what he wants to do, when he is not forbidden to do that which you object to?

I don't forbid him his cigarette, I just cringe when I see it. Fortunately I don't see it happening very much. However, I do like the catholic movie 'Going My Way' with Bing Cosby and he smokes a pipe. Perhaps a pipe I can handle...if its Bing.

Also, you need to understand that catholics also have the notion of body as a place of holiness for the holy spirit, I believe. And so, I cringe.

Then the priest is in the same condition as the early Saints, prior to the WoW being made a commandment.

[_why me]

The WoW was revelated as Joseph Smith and early church members were getting drunk and Emma Smith said to her husband that she thought it wrong and so that is where it came from.

Almost. Emma was tired of cleaning the mess that came from chewing tobacco and tobacco. She had to clean it up. But yes, drunkenness is not holiness, in my opinion. And so god gave a good call.

God was bending to Emma's will?

No, but when Joseph Smith took it to the lord, he got his reply. It was a good moment to give the revelation. And it was a good revelation. Alcohol is not healthy and it is the ruin for many, many families. Most murders in my area are do to alcohol.

[_why me]

Then the priest is in the same condition as the early Saints, prior to the WoW being made a commandment.

I would say so. He has an addiction. A priest needs to set the example for his parish and having an adiction of tobacco is not a good example in my opinion.

[_why me]

Of the literally hundreds of millions of people on this planet who drink, a relatively small percentage are alcoholics. And for that you want to place the prohibition of alcohol at the center of your moral universe?

I can see that you haven't been to Russia or the Baltics or Finland. Alcohol related desease can be the leading cause of death in men. And tragedies in the home.

[_antishock8]

Mormons don't abide by the WoW anyway. I don't see why they're so hung up on this issue...

"Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly; And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine." (D&C 89:12-13)

Luckily for all the garmeted obese types this is vague enough they can consume their weight in bacon, but freak out when someone drinks a hot drink, er, coffee, er, wait, hot drink, er... Wait... Coffee... Cocoa? No. Wait. Coffee. Right. Wait. Hot drinks?

ANYWAY... The obese ones can freak out when someone drinks a Coke. Which... Umm... Wait. crap.

Oh. Wait. These guys aren't inspired, and the membership isn't, either. They don't have a the slightest clue what is or what isn't healthy. Thank god they allow for FREEDOM of choice. Oh. Wait. crap. Free agency. Free... Agency... Wait. Didn't Satan want to control every aspect of our lives in order to get us back to Heaven? No. Wait. We're free to choose and figure out how to be adults and to be responsible for ourselves. Right? Oh. No. Damn it.