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Jersey Girl wrote:Good grief! I just looked at it a bit more carefully and I totally messed up the title to Rough Stone Rolling...and not one LDS called me on it! As I recall, when I started checking out the community to see if there was interest there were many positive responses. When the book club actually opened, it seemed like Kevin and I were really driving it and others kind of fizzled out.


Yah, I can see there was some fizzle there. Hmm... I wasn't expecting this to be popular, though. I mean, if some want to participate that's fine. What books would you be interested in reading and discussing, Jersey Girl?

I know that I've been reading a lot lately on spirituality and things such as the God Gene but don't know how much interest there would be in that?

GIMR what are you interested in?

I think finding something that a few people are excited to explore and discuss would be the key.
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Oh! My! Goodness!

I just found it online! No one has to go anywhere to buy a thing!

http://www.bibliomania.com/0/0/235/1030/frameset.html

Dostoyevsky’s 1880 novel, The Brothers Karamazov, is a tale of bitter family rivalries. It is the last of Dostoyevsky’s famous and well-regarded novels and begins on a bright day in August at a meeting that has been organised to settle the differences of the Karamazov family. Fyodor is an extravagant buffoon and travels with his second son Ivan. Old Fyodor Karamozov’s youngest son Alyosha is with the wise Father Zossima, an elder, who he greatly respects and lives with. Dmitri, the oldest son, appears and is soon in a rage with his father over the question of whether he owes Fyodor debts or Fyodor owes him an inheritance. We learn of Katerina Ivanova who has proposed marriage to Dmitri and the shameful way in which both he and his father are in competition for the love of Grushenka, the latter having taken out 3,000 rubles to bribe her away from his son. Dmitri threatens to kill his father but not Grushenka. Throughout Alyosha is the confidante of his brothers, and Ivan tells of his love for Katerina and the poem that he has written showing his pessimism, The Grand Inquisitor, before leaving for Moscow on the advice of Smerdyakov. Father Zossima dies and certain controversy arises at the monastery about his possible sainthood. The tale of the brothers goes on with ever more confused loves and the murder of Fyodor which it transpires that one of the brothers accidentally encouraged. The fate of brother Dmitri in a lengthy trial is finally the issue at stake and a lengthy exile in Siberia awaits him.


From wiki:
The book is written on two levels: ostensibly, it is the story of a parricide in which all of a murdered man's sons share varying degrees of complicity but, on a deeper level, it is a spiritual drama of the moral struggles between faith, doubt, reason, and free will.
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I've been thinking for a while that I should be reading a little more.
I'd be up for this...
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Well, I've been reading! Anyone else? I'm on Book 2, Chapter 2 -- from the weblink that has the book online.

I can already tell this is going to be very unorganized. :)
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Don't try to organize something...perhaps this should just be a list of what we're reading or whatever. Trying to give grown people reading assignments isn't going to work.

by the way: I'm very slow reading lately...have school work to keep up with and 30 hours of work to deal with....so I'm only reading about 50 pages a day or so.
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Bond...James Bond wrote:Don't try to organize something...


I never considered it! ;)

perhaps this should just be a list of what we're reading or whatever. Trying to give grown people reading assignments isn't going to work.

Agreed! I just thought if a few of us were interested in reading the same books we could discuss them.

by the way: I'm very slow reading lately...have school work to keep up with and 30 hours of work to deal with....so I'm only reading about 50 pages a day or so.


I know you're busy. Take your time. :)
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why is this board so slow when I try to post????????????
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Bond...James Bond wrote:Don't try to organize something...perhaps this should just be a list of what we're reading or whatever. Trying to give grown people reading assignments isn't going to work.

by the way: I'm very slow reading lately...have school work to keep up with and 30 hours of work to deal with....so I'm only reading about 50 pages a day or so.


This might work better at least at the beginning. Then if two or more were reading the same thing something specific to that could split off?

I've never been part of a book club because...well its what I do for a living in large part so my reading practice is not like most peoples. I read extremely fast. I'm always reading 1) things for class that I'm teaching, 2) things that relate to writing projects, 3) incidental night reading that is a far from the other things as possible for sheer relief. This also includes a vast amount of re-reading things I like and new, just published stuff.

Recently I fiinished the Philip Pullman trilogy His Dark Materials. I've been meaning to read it for about 8 years now, but the idiotical backlash against the film of The Golden Compass got me motivated. I liked it ENORMOUSLY. I never read fantasy/sci fi so it was a real eye opener. The relgious themes were very interesting. I've since read an incidental short story/possible chapter of forthcoming novel? thing called Lyra's Oxford and a short book on the science alluded to in the trilogy and a concordium of the triliogy's references to hisotry, religion, philosophy etc. The latter was not that great. I'd like to read what looks like a heeeelarious fundamentalist book that warns parents against His Dark Materials (The Pied Piper of Atheism) but I won't buy it--I need to get it from a library.

I also read the Junot Diaz book of short stories, Drown this weekend (I'd read a handful in the New Yorker when they were published) with an eye to possibly using some in my current Intro to Lit course. I also re-read Sinclair Lewis's Babbit this weekend just because. I've also been reading a great deal of Sherman Alexie.

I'm finishing a huge ass bio of William F. Cody (Buffalo Bill) because it touches on things relevant to my book project. Funny charity should mention the monument at the Little Big Horn in her asinine drivel on the MMM---like everything else she's completely incorrect about it, but I thought better of getting off topic with a discussion even though I'd been reading about that very thing.

Not pertinent to anything pressing is my dallying through In Sacred Lonliness. I don't know if I'll finish it, I think I've gotten what I "need" from it. It's very depressing and while that never usually puts me off things, boy, this is a very very sad book. I did glean some useful items for my own work, though, so maybe I'll go back to it.

That's whats on my mind at the moment. I actually was toying with the idea of opening a Celestial or Off Topic thread on His Dark Materials. I can't recommend it highly enough. It moved me emotionally as well as engaging me intellectually. It made me cry at least five times and it made me think of "god" in very different ways than I have before. Also it made me remember good things in Milton (hard to beleive) and why I need to get a lot of Blake lines tattooed on my body (argh!! I still haven;t gotten my manuscript tattoo!!! How do I forget this? Have I mentioned the author Shelley Jackson yet here? And how I'm part of the living manuscript of one of her stories????)

Ok...make of this what you will. I'm typing while eating dinner and drinking a nice dry white wine....also its raining.
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Blixa wrote:
Bond...James Bond wrote:Don't try to organize something...perhaps this should just be a list of what we're reading or whatever. Trying to give grown people reading assignments isn't going to work.

by the way: I'm very slow reading lately...have school work to keep up with and 30 hours of work to deal with....so I'm only reading about 50 pages a day or so.


This might work better at least at the beginning. Then if two or more were reading the same thing something specific to that could split off?


Good idea!

I've been meaning to read His Dark Materials! I think GIMR might have read them. If I recall correctly.

Blixa, you told me about Shelley Jackson and her Skin Project. I read Patchwork Girl about 6 months ago:

http://www.eastgate.com/catalog/PatchworkGirl.html

Here's My Body & A Wunderkammer http://www.altx.com/thebody/

I really enjoy her work:


I was filled with an objectless fury. My breasts were making me not me (it was not me to walk, or guard my chest, or keep myself covered up). My mother and I went to a department store to shop for bras. It was humiliating even to stand there, in my tennis shoes and stinky t-shirt, waist deep in the frilly white and beige things with their arcane, embarrassing straps and clips. I would have nothing with lace, nothing with flowers. The antique saleswoman, her own bosom fused and immobile, walked right into the dressing room to confer with my mother about my size, as if my breasts were now the public provenance of all womankind. Bras made me feel like I couldn't breathe, but at least I could run without clutching my chest. I spent high school giving my shoulders sidelong glances, to see if the straps were showing, and fiddling with safety pins to keep them in. If possible, I would have no one know I wore a bra at all; it was like making a public announcement that I had breasts. I hated having breasts: dangling, ridiculous extras. I was no longer streamlined: gravity had a taunting grip on me.


I visited this site about the same time: http://ineradicablestain.com/
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Here's the skin project. You are so damn lucky to be a part of this!! When are you going to get your tattoo?

http://ineradicablestain.com/skin-quilt.html
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