hopeofzion wrote:Nope, there are thousands of other "Gods", and surely you are aware of them. You seem to only believe in one, but that doesn't mean yours is the same, as say, the W.F Muhammad version. Nor does it mean they are all one in the same. Let me know if any of that isn't clear still :)
What I am aware of is that people across this plant believe in all kinds things, whether gods, or a higher power of some kind. That does not mean I am aware of the existence of other gods. I am not.
*Hmmm*
hopeofzion wrote:I must regrettfuly inform you that it is not my duty, thankfully, to try to prove God, the Bible, or any other book or religion to you. The Spirit of Christ is given to every man to show them right from wrong, if we choose to listen to it. That path leads us to peace, not conflict within and with others. A teacher cannot teach anything at all to the student who will not invest in, or care anything for what they have to teach. When you are hungry, you will eat. Not before. You're a big girl. I cannot force feed you.
Apparently you can't do anything but make claims about mythical things like the spirit of Christ, all the while avoiding questions with patronizing, arrogant nonsense.
Thankfully, no one asked nor did they inform you it was your duty to prove anything.
I simply stated I had yet to see one descent argument for the Bible, one pieced together with as much evidence and reason critics of the Mormon church use here and in real life.
By the way, I assume you are a big boy, and thus know that if you want to be taken serious in the real world, you can't just say things like
God really loves them, [Mormons] and He is about to do something that will bring many of them out of a form of bondage, which many of them are in, (those who will), and draw them into a much closer relationship with Himself...
And this is all a part of the work of the Father... where he will draw all that are His into ONE, even the lost tribes of Israel. Zion!
and expect me not to call you on it.
**a little background on GoodK**
It is borderline offensive to me when:
1. People pretend to speak for and or know God and his intentions in an intellectual or adult setting.
2. Religious people who seem comfortable enough using evidence or reason to publicly criticize the Mormon faith, yet can't seem to piece together a community college level string of words in support of the Bible or their own faith.
doug wrote:But you won't speak with someone about the Bible testifying to the movement of lost tribes unless they hold the Bible to be true?
I would very plainly show through the prophets in the Bible that the lost tribes were to be scattered throughout the globe among all the gentiles in every nation, even to the isles of the seas. But so what? What does that mean to you? You're unbelief makes it meaningless to you. Why would you want me to do this?
This is really quite simple. Really simple. I ask, where does it say (fill in the blank) in the Bible. Where are you getting this belief of yours that you are positing on the internet in a public forum. You say it is here in (fill in book, chapter, verse). I say, wow, you are really understanding that passage differently, or I say, hmmm, interesting I wonder what the implications are...
When you continually avoid answering questions, the only thing I can infer is that you don't have an answer. Please don't be so arrogant.
In fact, I wonder why you are even here on a Mormon discussion board. Not that I have any desire for you to go. Not that you don't have a right to be here, or to question anything you wish. And not because I feel the least bit threatened by your challenges. But I have honestly never really understood why any person would devote even one ounce of their time or energy arguing and debating about something they choose not to believe in, with people who do choose to believe in it.
Except they have experienced some personal injury, or are angry over something in their past, which drives them. Sometimes we feel compelled to confront wrongs, or speak our mind. This isn't always wrong, but I would recount the native american parable about two wolves within us (we choose which one to feed). Instead of dealing with what is really driving going on inside, which needs to be dealt with in order to bring them true peace so that they can move on, some tend to externalize the problem, and channel their energies at other people, blaming religion, government, a church, a race, a belief system, or whatever.
I am not the least bit interested in trying to prove anything to you, because you're not interested in proofs, and so it would be a futile exercise.
I will tell you what I am truly interested in, at this point in our discussion... I am interested in knowing what drives you, and in getting to know you better.
And 3:
Religious people (who pretend to hold humility as a virtue) who are arrogant enough to imply that I am undeserving of their intellectual and enlightening answer to my question regarding one of their many unlikely claims.
You carry on at some length in your posts, yet it's all fluff. Let's get down to brass tacks, man.
You are already resorting to ad hominems. Don't. You can do better.
GoodK's version of your internet discussion board psychology:
You know there are no better reasons to believe in the Bible or in Jesus Christ alone as there are to believe in the Book of Mormon and in Joseph Smith's teachings. You are slowly realizing that you have no good reasons to support your faith at all, and you don't know what to do with that feeling.
When you lay alone at night, you feel alone, you don't feel connected to a God, and slowly your faith is being replaced by common knowledge and your own reasoning.
You must have some very close ties with religion, I imagine you are very close with some religious people - perhaps your family, spouse, friends, - and don't know how to reconcile such a conflict within your head.
So you come here, and I imagine other similar places, to convince yourself more. You have to.
