GoodK please give your top 5 biblical contradictions

[_dartagnan]

Many of these are not contradictions per se, but rather different versions told by different witnesses.

This is exactly what we would expect if the Jesus narrative were based on real people and real events. So it only works against the Christ mythers. I mean how does any of these discrepancies serve their theory that the entire thing was made up? The conspiracy by Christian scribes ... they were smart enough to pull off this massive hoax, and somehow get thousands of people from great distances to believe it, yet they were too dumb to notice the apparent discrepancies in scripture? While they were doctoring the texts, why didn't they remove the discrepancies?

The Bible is a compilation of books written by different authors. What we are witnessing is exactly what one would expect.

Now if the entire thing were perfect without a hint of discrepancy or variation, then that would present a problem for Christians, as it would point to a single author - redactor.

[_GoodK]

Now if the entire thing were perfect without a hint of discrepancy or variation, then that would present a problem for Christians, as it would point to a single author - redactor.

I beg to differ. If the entire thing were perfect and without a hint of discrepancy or variation or contradiction, then I think it is highly likely that people would use it as proof that the Bible is of divine origin. Of course, that is just me speculating.

[_Jersey Girl]

Contradiction #6

What you're seeing there is the difference between how the Romans (John) and the Jews (Mark) marked time in terms of days, hours.

I don't buy this. Please provide a link.

I would be glad to, GoodK. Before I do that, would you post the portions of Scripture together that you're referring to? I think that would be advisable for each contradiction. I hope you don't mind that I started numbering them. I'll be back.

Mark 15:25

John 19:14

The Gospel of Mark doesn't say that Jesus died at "9 AM". It clearly states "ninth hour" which as nothing to do with "9AM". I'll return to fill in the "blanks" on this post.

Umm... Jersey Girl, where does Mark "clearly state" ninth hour?

No one said ninth hour meant "9 AM". If I you familiarize yourself with the meaning of "Third Hour" - which Mark does "clearly state" - you will see you have made a mistake.

GoodK, I'll line it up for you using the KJV.

[_GoodK]

The Gospel of Mark doesn't say that Jesus died at "9 AM". It clearly states "ninth hour" which as nothing to do with "9AM". I'll return to fill in the "blanks" on this post.

Umm... Jersey Girl, where does Mark "clearly state" ninth hour?

No one said ninth hour meant "9 AM". If I you familiarize yourself with the meaning of "Third Hour" - which Mark does "clearly state" - you will see you have made a mistake.

GoodK, I'll line it up for you using the KJV.

Mark 15:25 And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.

[_Jersey Girl]

Contradiction #6

John says Jesus died at noon, Mark says he died at 9 AM

What you're seeing there is the difference between how the Romans (John) and the Jews (Mark) marked time in terms of days, hours.

The Gospel of Mark doesn't say that Jesus died at "9 AM". It clearly states "ninth hour" which as nothing to do with "9AM". I'll return to fill in the "blanks" on this post.

It's not a contradiction.

Goodk,

Above is the statement that you supplied regarding contradiction between John and Mark. You clearly stated "9AM" as in the portion of your post that I bolded.

In a previous post, you changed that to "third hour" for Mark. You aren't reading the whole chapter. Here it is for you with the "hours" bolded:

And straightway in the morning the chief priests held a consultation with the elders and scribes and the whole council, and bound Jesus, and carried [him] away, and delivered [him] to Pilate.


Mar 15:2 And Pilate asked him, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answering said unto him, Thou sayest [it].


Mar 15:3 And the chief priests accused him of many things: but he answered nothing.


Mar 15:4 And Pilate asked him again, saying, Answerest thou nothing? behold how many things they witness against thee.
Mar 15:5 But Jesus yet answered nothing; so that Pilate marvelled.


Mar 15:6 ¶ Now at [that] feast he released unto them one prisoner, whomsoever they desired.


Mar 15:7 And there was [one] named Barabbas, [which lay] bound with them that had made insurrection with him, who had committed murder in the insurrection.


Mar 15:8 And the multitude crying aloud began to desire [him to do] as he had ever done unto them.


Mar 15:9 But Pilate answered them, saying, Will ye that I release unto you the King of the Jews?


Mar 15:10 For he knew that the chief priests had delivered him for envy.


Mar 15:11 But the chief priests moved the people, that he should rather release Barabbas unto them.


Mar 15:12 And Pilate answered and said again unto them, What will ye then that I shall do [unto him] whom ye call the King of the Jews?


Mar 15:13 And they cried out again, Crucify him.


Mar 15:14 Then Pilate said unto them, Why, what evil hath he done? And they cried out the more exceedingly, Crucify him.


Mar 15:15 And [so] Pilate, willing to content the people, released Barabbas unto them, and delivered Jesus, when he had scourged [him], to be crucified.


Mar 15:16 ¶ And the soldiers led him away into the hall, called Praetorium; and they call together the whole band.


Mar 15:17 And they clothed him with purple, and platted a crown of thorns, and put it about his [head],


Mar 15:18 And began to salute him, Hail, King of the Jews!


Mar 15:19 And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit upon him, and bowing [their] knees worshipped him.


Mar 15:20 And when they had mocked him, they took off the purple from him, and put his own clothes on him, and led him out to crucify him.


Mar 15:21 ¶ And they compel one Simon a Cyrenian, who passed by, coming out of the country, the father of Alexander and Rufus, to bear his cross.


Mar 15:22 And they bring him unto the place Golgotha, which is, being interpreted, The place of a skull.


Mar 15:23 And they gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh: but he received [it] not.


Mar 15:24 And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take.
Mar 15:25 And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.


Mar 15:26 And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE KING OF THE JEWS.


Mar 15:27 And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left.


Mar 15:28 And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.


Mar 15:29 And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest [it] in three days,


Mar 15:30 Save thyself, and come down from the cross.


Mar 15:31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.


Mar 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.


Mar 15:33 ¶ And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.


Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?


Mar 15:35 And some of them that stood by, when they heard [it], said, Behold, he calleth Elias.


Mar 15:36 And one ran and filled a spunge full of vinegar, and put [it] on a reed, and gave him to drink, saying, Let alone; let us see whether Elias will come to take him down.


Mar 15:37 And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.


Mar 15:38 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.


Mar 15:39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.


Mar 15:40 There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;


Mar 15:41 (Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him;) and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.


Mar 15:42 ¶ And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,


Mar 15:43 Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.


Mar 15:44 And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling [unto him] the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead.


Mar 15:45 And when he knew [it] of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph.


Mar 15:46 And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.


Mar 15:47 And Mary Magdalene and Mary [the mother] of Joses beheld where he was laid.

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Here is your contradiction again, GoodK:

John says Jesus died at noon, Mark says he died at 9 AM

Verse 15:34 clearly states ninth hour.

[_Jersey Girl]

The Gospel of Mark doesn't say that Jesus died at "9 AM". It clearly states "ninth hour" which as nothing to do with "9AM". I'll return to fill in the "blanks" on this post.

Umm... Jersey Girl, where does Mark "clearly state" ninth hour?

No one said ninth hour meant "9 AM". If I you familiarize yourself with the meaning of "Third Hour" - which Mark does "clearly state" - you will see you have made a mistake.

GoodK, I'll line it up for you using the KJV.

Mark 15:25 And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.

That wasn't the contradiction that you stated. You stated when he "died".

Here is your contradiction again:

John says Jesus died at noon, Mark says he died at 9 AM

Crucifixion and death are not one and the same.

[_GoodK]

Contradiction #6

John says Jesus died at noon, Mark says he died at 9 AM

What you're seeing there is the difference between how the Romans (John) and the Jews (Mark) marked time in terms of days, hours.

The Gospel of Mark doesn't say that Jesus died at "9 AM". It clearly states "ninth hour" which as nothing to do with "9AM". I'll return to fill in the "blanks" on this post.

It's not a contradiction.

Goodk,

Above is the statement that you supplied regarding contradiction between John and Mark. You clearly stated "9AM" as in the portion of your post that I bolded.

In a previous post, you changed that to "third hour" for Mark. You aren't reading the whole chapter. Here it is for you with the "hours" bolded:

Are you unaware of the fact that third hour = 9:00 AM?

And you are right, I misspoke when I said death, I meant crucified. My mistake.

[_Jersey Girl]

Contradiction #6

John says Jesus died at noon, Mark says he died at 9 AM

What you're seeing there is the difference between how the Romans (John) and the Jews (Mark) marked time in terms of days, hours.

The Gospel of Mark doesn't say that Jesus died at "9 AM". It clearly states "ninth hour" which as nothing to do with "9AM". I'll return to fill in the "blanks" on this post.

It's not a contradiction.

Goodk,

Above is the statement that you supplied regarding contradiction between John and Mark. You clearly stated "9AM" as in the portion of your post that I bolded.

In a previous post, you changed that to "third hour" for Mark. You aren't reading the whole chapter. Here it is for you with the "hours" bolded:

Are you unaware of the fact that third hour = 9:00 AM?

And you are right, I misspoke when I said death, I meant crucified. My mistake.

GoodK,

Your contradiction stated when "Jesus died". If he died in the third hour, why is he still speaking at the ninth hour?

[Guest]

I beg to differ. If the entire thing were perfect and without a hint of discrepancy or variation or contradiction, then I think it is highly likely that people would use it as proof that the Bible is of divine origin. Of course, that is just me speculating.

That some people might do that doesn't change the fact that this would work against the plausibility of the text since it would expect us to believe so many different authors told precisely the same story, in all the same details. That's almost impossible.

What I want is for you or JAK or someone to explain to me how any of this helps the Christ myther case.

You want us to believe scribes with an agenda took over the text and used it to invent a legend, but at the same time we're supposed to believe they left all of these discrepancies. Christians have been aware of these for more than 1500 years, and it hasn't meant a hill of beans. Whether two people or three people showed up at a tomb, isn't important. This discrepancy doesn't mean the entire story must be false.

The fact is textual critics cn verify beyond a reasonable doubt that the New Testament was written by various people. This means various renditions of events, would be expeced. How does this help the Christ myther case?

[_GoodK]

Contradiction #6

John says Jesus died at noon, Mark says he died at 9 AM

What you're seeing there is the difference between how the Romans (John) and the Jews (Mark) marked time in terms of days, hours.

The Gospel of Mark doesn't say that Jesus died at "9 AM". It clearly states "ninth hour" which as nothing to do with "9AM". I'll return to fill in the "blanks" on this post.

It's not a contradiction.

Goodk,

Above is the statement that you supplied regarding contradiction between John and Mark. You clearly stated "9AM" as in the portion of your post that I bolded.

In a previous post, you changed that to "third hour" for Mark. You aren't reading the whole chapter. Here it is for you with the "hours" bolded:

Are you unaware of the fact that third hour = 9:00 AM?

And you are right, I misspoke when I said death, I meant crucified. My mistake.

GoodK,

Your contradiction stated when "Jesus died". If he died in the third hour, why is he still speaking at the ninth hour?

Again,

And you are right, I misspoke when I said death, I meant crucified. My mistake.

There is still a discrepancy between the two passages.