Information Production: I vote in favor or against this...

[_cksalmon]

Matter and energy all by themselves cannot produce information.

Discuss.

[_skippy the dead]

Oh dear. I wouldn't know where to start. Is this something I'm supposed to be drunk for?

[_cksalmon]

Oh dear. I wouldn't know where to start. Is this something I'm supposed to be drunk for?

Unlike most occasions (family get-togethers, work, dating, posting on MB's, weddings, grant proposals, high school reunions, etc.), sobriety might actually be beneficial here.

I take no firm stand.

PS. I would add to the above list: novelizing movie scripts.

[_cksalmon]

The debatable point here is that random mutation does not lead to an increase in actual information because information presupposes language, meaning, syntax, and intention.

I may have those grammatical concepts backwards.

I'm listening to a pro-ID presentation at the moment. Yes, I will reveal it.

I am only interested in reasoned responses, come whence they may. Again, I don't take the thesis as truth. I'm hoping that better minds than mine will weigh in.

Frankly, it seems a bit too simplistic at this point. Just trying to form a reasoned opinion, for the moment.

At this point, the thesis is, "Matter and energy all by themselves cannot produce information."

Commentary?

Chris

[_Dr. Shades]

According to your presenters, what is "information?"