Thanks, but no thanks

[_Mahonri]

After coming on these discussion forums for a couple of months, asking questions and reading posts and answers it is time to quit this baloney.

The attitudes and sarcasm and intolerance here is no better than in the branch we are in now and seems even worse than the wards we have been in.

I will go back to asking Sandra Tanner questions. At least I understand where she is coming from. I cannot understand a Peterson with the sarcasm and evil countenance and some of the crap I see and read.

One cannot ask serious questions on ward Priesthood meetings in the LDS community. Just isn't possible and forces those who have them to seek information from the 'other camp' where more honest history can be found.

Won't post any more questions or comments. My experience with Utah Mormons was one of the most miserable times of my life. On these pages it only continues. I can do without it and without people trying to convince me of 'truth' by telling me lies. After living in Utah and working with Financial Crime units on the Federal Level I saw firsthand "The Church" and its members/henchmen in action. It is, indeed, all about the money. That some get helped seems to be an accident or the efforts of some of the lower level folk who are still basically honest, decent souls. Too bad this type of person doesn't make it to higher leadership.

I can better spend my time tuning in the radio and listening to football games on Sundays, going camping or playing ball with the grandkids than continuing with this kind of baloney here and in meetings. LDS is an experience, but then so is a root canal.

[_GoodK]

I will go back to asking Sandra Tanner questions.

LOL

[_collegeterrace]

Be thankful that Daniel C. Peterson did not get any of your personal information.

[_bcspace]

I will go back to asking Sandra Tanner questions.

That's your problem right there. If you rely on antiMormon rhetoric, you'll come off as asking about a Church that doesn't exist.

[_Scottie]

I will go back to asking Sandra Tanner questions.

That's your problem right there. If you rely on antiMormon rhetoric, you'll come off as asking about a Church that doesn't exist.

Right. You are much better off going to the editorial section of the church web site and finding the answers there.

[_Mary]

I will go back to asking Sandra Tanner questions.

That's your problem right there. If you rely on antiMormon rhetoric, you'll come off as asking about a Church that doesn't exist.

Not sure what you mean here BC (hi).

When I first came on line I went to Sandra Tanner and found her to be absolutely fair, measured and honest with the questions I pitched at her.

Mary

[_moksha]

After living in Utah and working with Financial Crime units on the Federal Level I saw firsthand "The Church" and its members/henchmen in action. It is, indeed, all about the money.

Could you elaborate?

[_Yoda]

My experience with Utah Mormons was one of the most miserable times of my life.

I can relate to this. The eight years we lived in Utah were the most miserable of my married life.

I grew up in northern CA, and the members of the Church I grew up with there were very thoughtful, and very appreciative of members' talents, etc.

What I found in our Orem ward was truly appalling. The members were gossipy, judgmental, and unappreciative.

When I moved to NC, I actually felt like the members were more like the members I had remembered growing up. They knew how to say "please" and "thank you".

[_Alter Idem]

I guess I was luckier than you, Liz. I was raised in Northern Calif. and moved here to Salt Lake 17 years ago. I think we were blessed to have moved into a very nice, friendly ward of good people. There are no cliques--even among our young women, which is often a problem. People do not gossip, that I know of. Of course, as the Bishop's wife, I'm last to know everything (really true!) I guess people assume I know if someone is ill or pregnant or moving etc. but I don't.

At first, when we were put into our present ward (change in boundaries) I remember after that first Sunday being very apprehensive. The first Sunday we attended was a fast and testimony meeting--it was so crowded because of baby blessings, our family was "invited" from the podium to sit in the choir seats as we came in late and there was no place to sit. The testimonies were actually frightening. A number of people got up and talked about the father of one of the babies, how he'd loved drinking and had been wild--just airing all his dirty laundry very inappropriately. Then there were the travelogues and a few older folks who got up to update everyone on their children and how they were doing. There was no spirit at all in the meeting. One of my neighbors who was also new to the ward was sitting in the audience and I could see by her face that she too was wondering what kind of ward we'd been relegated to! We've talked about it since and laughed about that first Sunday introduction.

But within a few years, as new people came in to run the ward callings and the old guard moved on, the ward has changed a great deal. Now I feel like I'm in one of the more spiritually blessed wards and one that is populated with many people who take the idea of service and following Christ in their interactions with others to heart. Our teachers are great and the ward is diverse. We also have a number who were inactive for many years and then came back and share their stories and their life learning with the rest of us.

Anyway, I think you can find good wards in Utah and I'm lucky to be in one.

[_GoodK]

My experience with Utah Mormons was one of the most miserable times of my life.

I can relate to this. The eight years we lived in Utah were the most miserable of my married life.

I grew up in northern CA, and the members of the Church I grew up with there were very thoughtful, and very appreciative of members' talents, etc.

What I found in our Orem ward was truly appalling. The members were gossipy, judgmental, and unappreciative.

When I moved to NC, I actually felt like the members were more like the members I had remembered growing up. They knew how to say "please" and "thank you".

California Mormons are way cooler than Utah Mormons.
I can attest to this.