Palin's Speech: What do you think?

[_aussieguy55]

It seems Palin's pastor has some unusual views a church involved in a resurgent movement that was declared heretical by the Assemblies of God in 1949. The movement is training a young "Joel's Army" to take dominion over the United States and the world. The Third Wave is a revival of the theology of the Latter Rain tent revivals of the 1950s and 1960s led by William Branham and others. It is based on the idea that in the end times there will be an outpouring of supernatural powers on a group of Christians that will take authority over the existing church and the world. The believing Christians of the world will be reorganized under the Fivefold Ministry and the church restructured under the authority of Prophets and Apostles and others anointed by God. The young generation will form "Joel's Army" to rise up and battle evil and retake the earth for God. Only in America.

[_beastie]

Agreed. However, the Democrats play the same games. The whacko Left wing is as bad with their conspiracy theories, pro-late term abortions, and entitlement attitudes.

Upon what evidence do you base your belief that the Democrats are "pro-late term abortion"?

[_beastie]

It seems Palin's pastor has some unusual views a church involved in a resurgent movement that was declared heretical by the Assemblies of God in 1949. The movement is training a young "Joel's Army" to take dominion over the United States and the world. The Third Wave is a revival of the theology of the Latter Rain tent revivals of the 1950s and 1960s led by William Branham and others. It is based on the idea that in the end times there will be an outpouring of supernatural powers on a group of Christians that will take authority over the existing church and the world. The believing Christians of the world will be reorganized under the Fivefold Ministry and the church restructured under the authority of Prophets and Apostles and others anointed by God. The young generation will form "Joel's Army" to rise up and battle evil and retake the earth for God. Only in America.

If Palin really is involved in the dominionist movement, that should be great cause of concern for everyone.

[_Bond James Bond]

If Palin really is involved in the dominionist movement, that should be great cause of concern for everyone.

Yeesh. This rubbish and Obama's crazy former preacher are preferable to an atheist President. Sad.

[_beastie]

Yeesh. This rubbish and Obama's crazy former preacher are preferable to an atheist President. Sad.

No kidding. The deep dark secret is that we've probably already had more than one atheist president...we just didn't know it.

But, come on. We all know we need to cater to Jesus so he will protect us from the terrorists. That's why gays should never, never, never be allowed to get married.

Jerry Falwell's thoughts on 9/11

And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen."

Yes, thank you Jesus, God is a loving God. He really cares about us, you see. He only beats and tortures us because he cares, just like every other abusive parent on this earth.

[_Yoda]

Agreed. However, the Democrats play the same games. The whacko Left wing is as bad with their conspiracy theories, pro-late term abortions, and entitlement attitudes.

Upon what evidence do you base your belief that the Democrats are "pro-late term abortion"?

I'm not saying that all Democrat's are. The majority are not. It's the extreme Left wing that is. And, unfortunately, politicians pander to the extremists on both sides because they tend to strongly influence the party base. Here is an article on some information regarding late term abortions during Clinton's administration:

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/ ... index.html

The extreme Right wing is just as guilty. I think they are just as nuts in the other direction. I'm Pro-Choice, but I think that there are limits on when abortions should be done, and when it is considered murder...particularly now that medical science is able to do so many things to save babies who are born prematurely.

What I find sad is that most moderates, whether we be moderate Republicans or moderate Democrats, are going to agree on more issues than we disagree. It's just too bad that the extremists seem to handle the purse strings on both sides of the aisle.

[_beastie]

When this issue was in the press, I tried to find some facts about late term abortion, but it is extremely difficult to find information that detailed. But here's the conclusion I came to on this issue. Roe V Wade actually does provide for increasing oversight in abortion as the pregnancy advances. I find it very difficult to believe that anyone is supportive of aborting a viable infant for any reason other than very serious risk to the mother.

In other words, I agree with you that there is a whacky left that believes in strange conspiracy theories (and some whacky rights believe in strange conspiracy theories, too, just different ones) and there is a real risk of creating a culture of dependency with state aids (just as there is the inverse risk of complete laissez faire). But I can't agree with you that anyone on the left is really agitating for late term abortions, and could rightly be called "pro-late term abortion". I think folks on the left only support them due to the fact that they are, at times, medically necessary.

Having said that, I really don't want to debate abortion! So I'll just shut up about it now.

[_Roger Morrison]

Jason said:

Personally I think Palin was a poor choice. I am sure she is a fine conservative woman governor and maybe a few years down the road would be a better choice for the republican ticket. There were better women choices if that is what they wanted. The rapid acceptence of her and even seeming adoration it rather surprising to me and I am pretty much a life long republican. Yes I am one of the stupid, dumb and ignorant ones. But the party I grew up with has left me really. I am seriously considering voting for Obama. I watched the interview with O-Reilly last week and want to watch the rest over the next couple night. I was failry impressed with Obama, more than I have been yet.

I agree Palin is not a good choice at this time in her carreer, for a number of reasons: To this point she has been a Big Toad in a very small puddle. Therein she can splash around and impress with her grit & grin. I just don't see a lot of substance and social concerns. Too rightist. Can she compromise? She is still an apprentice with an oversized ego that I doubt could work as a Small Toad in a HUGE puddle where she would be over shadowed by, I hope, far more experienced and capable people. "IF" SP is the best the GOP can find??? YIKES!!!

I hope you do vote Obama. For a number of reasons. Most important, IMSCO, is HIS approach to conflict-resolution. Second, I don't see him having the evan's attitude of doing God-service... I'm not sure why the USA would rather "Fight than talk"?? Still the gun-slinger wild-west showdown approach to shoot first, ask questions later--WMD et al???

I respectfully ask again, "what is her academic background? Has she proven herself with her own--not speech writers--expression and critical thinking? Does she have a second language ability? I repeat, "Buyer beware!"

[_Jason Bourne]

It seems Palin's pastor has some unusual views a church involved in a resurgent movement that was declared heretical by the Assemblies of God in 1949. The movement is training a young "Joel's Army" to take dominion over the United States and the world. The Third Wave is a revival of the theology of the Latter Rain tent revivals of the 1950s and 1960s led by William Branham and others. It is based on the idea that in the end times there will be an outpouring of supernatural powers on a group of Christians that will take authority over the existing church and the world. The believing Christians of the world will be reorganized under the Fivefold Ministry and the church restructured under the authority of Prophets and Apostles and others anointed by God. The young generation will form "Joel's Army" to rise up and battle evil and retake the earth for God. Only in America.

If Palin really is involved in the dominionist movement, that should be great cause of concern for everyone.

As would Obama's involvement in a radical black Church for 20 years and his constant denial that he never hear Rev Wright preach the radical ideas that he most certainly preached regularly.

[_beastie]

As would Obama's involvement in a radical black Church for 20 years and his constant denial that he never hear Rev Wright preach the radical ideas that he most certainly preached regularly.

The context behind Rev Wright's comments

Given the context of his statements, I agree that if a God existed, "he" would damn, not bless, America for our past actions he cites.