Palin's Speech: What do you think?

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Re: Palin's Speech: What do you think?

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Dartagnan
No EA, if you want examples of this kind of "favoring" then look no further than Barack Obama, who is a master of behind the scenes dealing and back scratching, using federal earmarks as payment.


Palin had hundreds of millions of dollars in earmarks also. It was just on the news, so no one is immune from this. Some of her own inside co-workers talked about it on the news just a few minutes ago. All of them are guilty of this, so this is hardly a stone to start throwing around.
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Palin had hundreds of millions of dollars in earmarks also.


You haven't been paying much attention to what's been said have you? Go start from the beginning. Alaska had close to a billion in 2005, and when Palin took office, the figure dropped dramatically in 2006 and continued to drop further in 2007.

It was just on the news, so no one is immune from this.


McCain is. He has never asked for an earmark for his state. You're going to excuse Obama by saying in ignorance, "everyone does it"? Figures. He deserves your vote then.

Some of her own inside co-workers talked about it on the news just a few minutes ago. All of them are guilty of this, so this is hardly a stone to start throwing around.


Pay attention. Earmarks in and of themselves are not "bad." Apparently, every politician except McCain does this. The problem is the abuse of earmarking. For example, the use of earmarking to pay back campaign contributors, along with votes favorable to their positions. Obama does this. He knows teh system and he plays along. He isn't interested in fixing it. Many MANY people have contributed huge sums of money to his campaign, so he has plenty of payback on his agenda. And who do you think will pay for it? The taxpayers. That's bedrock democratic economic philosophy. Tax the hell out of the rich and redistribute the wealth to the poor, most of whom are represented by the black community.

Barack Obama gave his wife's employer an earmark and it went through. She was rewarded with a salary that nearly tripled, just because her husband was a senator. How in the hell can you justify THAT earmark, all the while bitching and moaning about how Palin used to be for an earmark before she put an end to it?

That right there is an abuse of power, and it is just the tip of the iceberg if we let a man like Obama get into the White House. He'll flood all his left wing buddies with government run money pits, while taxing the hell out of the rich. That is how he plans to even the score against the white man. It is justified because the black man has been oppressed, so it is OK to steal from those who work and give it to those who claim oppression. To be sure, those are his primary constituents.
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Republicans for the last 8 years have shown us they don't care about our nation, so why continue their idiotic legacy?


Have any evidence for this bit of insanity?

Your diatribe amounted to nothing more than "I hate Bush and I'm gonna prove it by voting democrat."
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As for your willingness to damn America as well frankly you appall me. Sure America has done some lousy things. But to agree with Wright is just over the top.


So, in your view, God would have "blessed" America during, say, the days of slavery? Or when we deliberately infected Indians with smallpox?
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dartagnan wrote:
Republicans for the last 8 years have shown us they don't care about our nation, so why continue their idiotic legacy?


Have any evidence for this bit of insanity?

Your diatribe amounted to nothing more than "I hate Bush and I'm gonna prove it by voting democrat."


No. I have no evidence whatsoever for this bit of insanity. I must have been like wow, totally off my rocker. You are so right. How could I have missed it? Oh my diatribe, my diatribe, wherefor ever art thou?
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The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent.

ROFL. How long will they try to milk the slavery issue? It took place a century before any of todays blacks were even born. This is what Obama is listening to all these years? God help us all.
Think about this. Think about this. For every one Oprah, a billionaire, you’ve got 5 million blacks that are out of work.

Think about this. Think about this. Maybe if more blacks abandoned their ghetto-rap culture and focus on education and family values, they'd get a job? Did you know most black children are raised without a father? I guess the government is at fault for that too. When will they stop with this ridiculous victimhood complex and take responsibility for their own actions? To say people in America cannot get a job because of their color is just stupid. To say people in America cannot get an education is just stupid. There is more opportunity in the USA than any other country in the world, especially for minorities. I can say this with certainty, having lived in Germany, Holland, Brazil and Spain. Education is free here, and any serious attempt to take one's education seriously will result in college scholarship, especially if you're a minority; anyone remember that comedy "The Soul Man" with Thomas Howell? He had to paint himself as a black man so he could get a scholarship. This doesn't exist in Brazil, but it exists in America. In fact, thanks to the reverse discrimination policy of affirmative action, you have an advantage if you're a minority in both academia and the workplace.
For every one Colin Powell, a millionaire, you’ve got 10 million blacks who cannot read.

Exactly. And whose fault is that? Who is keeping them from going to school and paying attention in class? Michael Jordan and LeBron James, that's who. Most black kids think their way to the success is by either making the NBA, rapping or dealing drugs.
For every one Condi-Skeezer Rice, you’ve got 1 million in prison

Not because they're criminals, of course not. Because the white man arrests only black folks, and never with just cause. What a moron. Wright is a part of the problem, not the solution. The black communities should pay more attention to Bill Cosby and stay away from these radical freaks who insist on living in victimhood. Bill Cosby is the only one who really gets it, and if the black communities knew what was best for them, they would make this guy the next MLK instead of idiots like Wright and Obama who simply want them to be eternal victims.
"They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English," he said then. "I can't even talk the way these people talk: 'Why you ain't,' 'Where you is' . . . And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... 4Sep8.html
Yesterday, Cosby told his critics, "Come at me all you want." To those who criticized him for blaming the victim by preaching personal responsibility, he said: "I know a victim when I see one. And so did Christ. And so does God know victims. And so do we all recognize victims. But some victims you can look at and say, 'Get up.' "
Indeed, slaves of old, if they were alive today, would feel disgraced that they went through what they did, only to see how black Americans today have squandered their opportunities for success.
For every one Tiger Woods, who needs to get beat at the Masters, with his Cablanasian hips, playing on a course that discriminates against women God has this way of brining you up short when you get to big for your Cablanasian britches.

What an idiot.
For every one Tiger Woods, we’ve got 10,000 black kids who will never see a golf course.

Because they are generally being raised by a single Mom and MTV, trying to rap, deal or steal their way to success? And whose fault is that? They have no excuse if they finish HS and still cannot read. Hell, just listen to some of these NBA stars, who make it perfectly clear they skated through their educational institution because of the atheletic value they brought to the table. Even with a free ride through an accredited University, they still refuse to educate themselves. It amazes me how some of them finish four years of college and are barely literate. I am just glad that the NBA stood its ground and demanded these millionare players respect certain dress codes on the court, or else it would look like Puff Daddy guarding Kanye West.

The government throwing money at the poor black communities hasn't done anything to sway the course they choose for their children. This is what Obama promises to do, keep up the same broken welfare system running strong. The answers for changing the problems in black society reside strictly within. The parents have to make their kids take education seriously. They have to be at home and guide them along the way. They have to disabuse their kids of MTV and aspirations of making it as rap artists or NBA stars. And most of all, they have to instill in them a sense of responsibility to themselves, and expunge this virus of victimhood, which enables blacks everywhere to think they should be handed everything to them on a silver platter, just because of the "white man."

Oh yea, drop the BET channel and stop buying SOURCE and other strictly black magazines that only show black models. Talk about discrimination. What if there were such a thing as White Entertainment television? Stop buyiong your kids 200 dollar sneakers while claiming to be poor. Stop them from dressing like thugs with baggy pants and "gangsta" bandanas. Stop acting like you have ever been to Africa or have some connection to African culture by naming your kids ridiculous names like Jamiqua and don't'A. Stop claiming to be AFRICAN Americans and just say you're AMERICAN. Good grief. Imagine if caucassians called themselves European Americans? No wonder a sense of divisiveness seems to always exist.

The black communities revert to their cocoon because of idiots like Wright who feed off of them and their fears. He encourages them to get together and loathe each other as inferiors. They exclude themselves from society, not vice versa. In this day and age, you're more likely to see black parents get upset because their kid is dating a white person, instead of the other way around. This is Obama's philosophy? How can someone lead us to the future if he and his ilk are so intoxicated with a negative past?
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beastie wrote:
As for your willingness to damn America as well frankly you appall me. Sure America has done some lousy things. But to agree with Wright is just over the top.


So, in your view, God would have "blessed" America during, say, the days of slavery? Or when we deliberately infected Indians with smallpox?




You are really getting worse and worse in your selective reading beastie.

I note that those in charge of America have done some bad things at times, some very bad in fact. Yet I well also put forth that the USA overall has been the greatest nation ever on the earth and still is. Overall it has done more good, offered more freedoms, been more of a benefactor to the world than any other nation ever.

Of course you can easily find things that this nation has done that are bad and beneath what seems to be its ideals. If that flips your flipper and you want to join Reverand Wright in damming America have at it. I think it shameful.
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You are really getting worse and worse in your selective reading beastie.

I note that those in charge of America have done some bad things at times, some very bad in fact. Yet I well also put forth that the USA overall has been the greatest nation ever on the earth and still is. Overall it has done more good, offered more freedoms, been more of a benefactor to the world than any other nation ever.

Of course you can easily find things that this nation has done that are bad and beneath what seems to be its ideals. If that flips your flipper and you want to join Reverand Wright in damming America have at it. I think it shameful.


Did you read the article I linked? Wright was clearly talking about specific acts that our country has engaged in, in the past, that any sane person would call "evil". (well, with the exception of throwing in the part about the Bush election, but most of his examples were clear and not controversial).

Of course the US has also committed acts of great good. Democracy is a noble example and aspiration. We have intervened to help other oppressed peoples. If there were a God, I'm sure he would "bless" the US for those actions.

But none of this changes the fact that we've also committed great acts of evil. If there were a God, I'm equally sure he would "damn" the US for those actions. Do you disagree? Is God going to look the other way when we commit evil, as a nation, simply due to the fact that we have also, at times, committed acts of good?

Wright's comments have been stripped of their context as a sound bite.
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I thought her speech was great! I think she's great. I wish she could be the Gov. of Utah..the one we have is a dufus.

I think McCain was brilliant to pick her...in choosing her, he energized and solidified his base. I think the Democrats are seething that McCain did that. I think they were expecting Romney and that is why he picked Biden--but they misread McCain and were blindsided by his pick of a woman. I think he should have swallowed his pride and put Hillary on his ticket and then he would have had a great foil for Palin. But he didn't and now he's stuck. She's a natural and I think the VP debates will be the most watched in history.

I think it's unbelievable when I hear Obama's supporters grousing about how she has no experience..they should not bring up lack of experience when their own candidate has so little experience, and none of it as a Governor or as a Mayor even.
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liz3564 wrote:
Roger wrote:I respectfully ask again, "what is her academic background? Has she proven herself with her own--not speech writers--expression and critical thinking? Does she have a second language ability? I repeat, "Buyer beware!"


I think that Palin's educational background is a weak argument. She has a Bachelor's degree. Reagan had a Bachelor's degree as well, and, in spite of what some may say, he was still one of the best presidents we have ever had.

Also, whether or not she is bilingual is of little concern. Most public officials use translators.

Roger wrote:To this point she has been a Big Toad in a very small puddle.


I agree with you here. Her primary experience has been the governor of a very small state, and there are budget issues that she has not had to deal with, based on that fact. From an economic standpoint, Romney would have been a much better choice because he had some solid initiatives, and has a strong financial background.

I will probably vote Democrat this election because I am frankly just not impressed with what the GOP has done. They have thrown away the opportunity they always boasted about. They had both the Presidency, and the majority of House and Senate, and made an absolute mess of things.

I'm disappointed in Obama's VP choice, though. I really think that Hillary deserved that slot. She fought a hard race, and whether he likes it or not, her policies would have balanced his very nicely.



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The Exact Bill That Chairman Obama Killed At the Meeting He Chaired on March 13, 2003

What follows is the complete text of the Illinois Born-Alive Infants Protection bill (SB 1082) after it was amended, on March 13, 2003, in the committee chaired by state Senator Barack Obama. The committee then voted 6-4 to kill this bill, with Chairman Obama voting to kill it. The amended bill, as shown below, was virtually identical to the federal Born-Alive Infants Protection Act that was enacted in 2002.


AN ACT concerning infants who are born alive.

Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois, represented in the General Assembly:

Section 5. The Statute on Statutes is amended by adding Section 1.36 as follows: (5 ILCS 70/1.36 new)

Sec. 1.36. Born-alive infant.

(a) In determining the meaning of any statute or of any rule, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative agencies of this State, the words "person", "human being", "child", and "individual" include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.

(b) As used in this Section, the term "born alive", with respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the complete expulsion or extraction from its mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after that expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion.

(c) Nothing in this Section [the bill] shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being born alive as defined in this Section.

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Here is The Link to this Web Site Page:

http://www.nrlc.org/ObamaBAIPA/ExactBil ... Obama.html


Palin Wows America in Her Maiden Speech:

http://www.nrlc.org/News_and_Views/Sept08/nv090408.html


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