The Road to Obamadom

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Re: The Road to Obamadom

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So here is what we have:

1- Obama gave some money to ACORN
2- Obama once did some legal work for them
3- Lou Dobbs says there is "new evidence" that Obama is "substantially" connected to ACORN
4- ACORN and Obama deny the alleged connection
5- A few ACORN people engaged in fraud
6- Some Republicans really, really hate ACORN

Therefore...

A- Obama is lying about his connection to ACORN
B- Obama has something to hide
C- Obama is corrupt
D- And that's just the tip of the iceburg


Its quite clear at this point you have no intention of actually debating the points of the issue or analyzing it critically.

What attracts you to Obama?
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Re: The Road to Obamadom

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Droopy wrote:
So here is what we have:

1- Obama gave some money to ACORN
2- Obama once did some legal work for them
3- Lou Dobbs says there is "new evidence" that Obama is "substantially" connected to ACORN
4- ACORN and Obama deny the alleged connection
5- A few ACORN people engaged in fraud
6- Some Republicans really, really hate ACORN

Therefore...

A- Obama is lying about his connection to ACORN
B- Obama has something to hide
C- Obama is corrupt
D- And that's just the tip of the iceburg


Its quite clear at this point you have no intention of actually debating the points of the issue or analyzing it critically.

What attracts you to Obama?

Seems to me "analyzing it critically" is exactly what he's doing, but then, it would be hard for you to see that since you've already convicted Obama of all of ACORN's crimes.
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Re: The Road to Obamadom

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Therefore...A- Obama is lying about his connection to ACORN

We know Obama lied about his connection. Dobbs even acknolwedges this.
B- Obama has something to hide

Obviously, to those with eyes to see.
C- Obama is corrupt

Yes, but as I said, ACORN is only one facet of his corruption. Obama's radical and socialist influences include:

Saul Alinsky
Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour
Bill Ayers
Carl Davidson
Frank Marshall Davis
Bernardine Dohrn
John L. McKnight
Democratic Socialists of America
Gamaliel Foundation
New Party
Socialist Scholars Conference

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/view ... asp?id=800

But people are too busy trying to find out who Sarah Palin is. They're not at all interested in finding out who Barack Obama is.
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Re: The Road to Obamadom

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Droopy wrote: What attracts you to Obama?

One of my favorite reasons I like him is that he drives so many nut-jobs who post here crazy. I was unsure about him until I started reading various opinions on this board. People like you have certainly convinced me he must be the best choice, Droop.

hehe
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Re: The Road to Obamadom

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Seems to me "analyzing it critically" is exactly what he's doing,


Then your definition of "critical analysis" is substantially different from mine.
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Droopy wrote:
Seems to me "analyzing it critically" is exactly what he's doing,


Then your definition of "critical analysis" is substantially different from mine.

Yes, I've known that for quite some time now. Glad you've caught up.
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Saul Alinsky
Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour
Bill Ayers
Carl Davidson
Frank Marshall Davis
Bernardine Dohrn
John L. McKnight
Democratic Socialists of America
Gamaliel Foundation
New Party
Socialist Scholars Conference


The "New Party" connection has just been broken in the conservative blogosphere (yes, the mainstream media gatekeepers can no longer make the sole decisions as to what is newsworthy and what is not anymore. Those days are long, long over). This is quite interresting:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/

Scroll down to "Barack Obama, Socialist?".

OK, so now that the cat's out of the proverbial bag (and if Stanley Kurtz ever gets his hands on all of the Annenburg Challenge records he's been prohibited (by somebody...I wonder who of Obama's friends doesn't want those to see the light of day)) from fully researching, we can, I assume, proceed to a discussion of Obama's policies.
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Re: The Road to Obamadom

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Saul Alinsky

Saul Alinsky helped to establish the confrontational political tactics that characterized the 1960s and have remained central to all subsequent revolutionary movements in the United States. Obama never met Alinsky personally; the latter died when Obama was a young boy. But Obama was trained by the Alinsky-founded Industrial Areas Foundation (IAF) in Chicago and worked for an affiliate of the Gamaliel Foundation, whose modus operandi for the creation of “a more just and democratic society” is rooted firmly in the Alinsky method.

In the Alinsky model, "organizing" is a euphemism for "revolution" -- a wholesale revolution whose ultimate objective is the systematic acquisition of power by a purportedly oppressed segment of the population, and the radical transformation of America's social and economic structure. The goal is to foment enough public discontent, moral confusion, and outright chaos to spark the social upheaval that Marx, Engels, and Lenin predicted -- a revolution whose foot soldiers view the status quo as fatally flawed and wholly unworthy of salvation. Thus, the theory goes, the people will settle for nothing less than that status quo's complete collapse -- to be followed by the erection of an entirely new system upon its ruins. Toward that end, they will be apt to follow the lead of charismatic radical organizers who project an aura of confidence and vision, and who profess to clearly understand what types of societal "changes" are needed.

But Alinsky's brand of revolution was not characterized by dramatic, sweeping, overnight transformations of social institutions. As Richard Poe puts it, "Alinsky viewed revolution as a slow, patient process. The trick was to penetrate existing institutions such as churches, unions and political parties." Alinsky advised organizers and their disciples to quietly, subtly gain influence within the decision-making ranks of these institutions, and to introduce changes from that platform.

For several years Obama himself taught workshops on the Alinsky method.


This is rather interesting because Obama's arch rival in the primaries was Hillary Clinton, a disciple and personal friend of Alinski in her youth. So here we have two leftover Boomer radicals who have both taken the A train to yuppiedom and are now just as mainstream and white picket fence suburban U.S.A. as Ayers is now said to be.

You know, massive quantities of kelp and seaweed used to wash up onto the the beach out on the end of Sunset Cliffs blvd. on Point Loma in San Diego where I spent many of my teenage years, and after not to long a time, it began to smell pretty much the way this does.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us

- President Ezra Taft Benson


I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.

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Re: The Road to Obamadom

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Droopy wrote:
So here is what we have:

1- Obama gave some money to ACORN
2- Obama once did some legal work for them
3- Lou Dobbs says there is "new evidence" that Obama is "substantially" connected to ACORN
4- ACORN and Obama deny the alleged connection
5- A few ACORN people engaged in fraud
6- Some Republicans really, really hate ACORN

Therefore...

A- Obama is lying about his connection to ACORN
B- Obama has something to hide
C- Obama is corrupt
D- And that's just the tip of the iceburg


Its quite clear at this point you have no intention of actually debating the points of the issue or analyzing it critically.

I'm just trying to understand what you and dart are saying. You come across as being in a rage of anger, fear, paranoia, and hysteria. Seriously, if Obama was even half as bad as you paint, why doesn’t the FBI arrest him and send him to Guantanamo?

Droopy wrote:What attracts you to Obama?

He's black! I can't wait to tell my grandkids that I voted for the first black president! Plus he is going to take money away from the rich and give to the poor. He'll take care of me, and the French like him. Unlike Bush and Palin, he speaks proper English. That makes me think he is smarter than them. Also, he's black!
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Re: The Road to Obamadom

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No seriousness asked, no seriousness given.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us

- President Ezra Taft Benson


I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.

- Thomas Sowell
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