Must Admit: My Opinion of McCain Went Up Tonight

[_bcspace]

Oh, I see the connection now...

I'd say you're blind.

[_EAllusion]

However, I note that Obama is indeed really a friend to terrorists, both at home and abroad, and surrounds himself with their supporters. This is much more important than his name.

People like you are contributing to an ugly environment that could lead to tragedy. You ought to be thought of with contempt. Coincidentally, what this thread is about is McCain starting to pull his campaign away from this because he doesn't want to be personally responsible for you.

[_dartagnan]

EA, why don't you drop the drama and deal with the facts?

Does anyone really deny that terrorists would prefer a President Obama over a President McCain?

Think.

[_EAllusion]

EA, why don't you drop the drama and deal with the facts?

Does anyone really deny that terrorists would prefer a President Obama over a President McCain?

Think.

1) This is a different assertion than stating Obama is a friend of terrorists home and abroad and has surrounded himself with their supporters. That is a very nasty, dangerous assertion that is offensively false. I'm serious. If an attempt is made on Obama's life by some would be hero, it is those who fanned these flames that will be in part responsible. McCain rallies are getting increasingly ugly because of nutballs like those found on this board and even McCain seems to be trying to pull this back a bit now.

2) It would be to the advantage of Islamic terrorists like Al-Qaeda to have a president with a bellicose policy towards the Islamic world to be elected, as that is what feeds recruitment, increases the odds of a broader world war they seek, and costs the US in terms of lives and money. There's a moderate chance Bin Laden might try to imply an endorsement of Obama like he did Kerry in the waning days of the 2004 election to swing votes in the opposite direction because of this. But that only affected the election by a couple of points, which wouldn't be nearly enough in this case.

[_beastie]

2) It would be to the advantage of Islamic terrorists like Al-Qaeda to have a president with a bellicose policy towards the Islamic world to be elected, as that is what feeds recruitment, increases the odds of a broader world war they seek, and costs the US in terms of lives and money. There's a moderate chance Bin Laden might try to imply an endorsement of Obama like he did Kerry in the waning days of the 2004 election to swing votes in the opposite direction because of this. But that only affected the election by a couple of points, which wouldn't be nearly enough in this case.

No kidding. Bush played into Bin Laden's hand in every way imaginable. He handed him a great recruitment tool in Iraq, as well.

[_Tarski]

EA, why don't you drop the drama and deal with the facts?

Does anyone really deny that terrorists would prefer a President Obama over a President McCain?

Think.

I do!!

Terrorists want the world to hate us. They want a war. The want the world to see us as greedy agressive materialists. They want the world to see us as Muslim hating, biggoted, and promoting a Christians against Muslims mentality. They loved that we had Bush Cheeny. They love the mess they created and the oppotunities they created and the way the whole world distanced itself from us.

Obama is far less likely to play into this.


By the way, the attempt to put Obama on the side of the terroists has created much bigotry and hate inlcuding shouts to kill Obama etc.

I will never even dream of voting for a party that attracts the anti-intellectual, Bible fundamentist xenophobe haters that I have seen lately. Even McCain has become embarrassed by this.

Recently I suggested this on another site and the responses included things like "“F” n88ers"

I've really really had it with these people. I am surrounded by their angry toothless faces and have heard hints at wishes that Obama get shot. People are making me sick.


Obama is a good man and intelligent. I also think McCain has many virtues and is not a nut. But, his party attracts the worst in this country.

Like I said I've had it with these people. McCain needs a new party.
I will vote for Obama.

[_dartagnan]

1) This is a different assertion than stating Obama is a friend of terrorists home and abroad and has surrounded himself with their supporters.

But this is true as well.

That is a very nasty, dangerous assertion that is offensively false.

No it isn't. You to prefer to get melodramatic instead of dealing with the evidence in its favor. That's the only dangerous thing I see here because you're apparently willing to keep giving Obama a pass and keep giving him teh benefit of the doubt, because you don't want those nutty Republicans to be right on any given point about his history or his character.

I'm serious. If an attempt is made on Obama's life by some would be hero, it is those who fanned these flames that will be in part responsible.

Or, it could be because Obama has chosen to align himself with known terrorists, at home and abroad.

McCain rallies are getting increasingly ugly because of nutballs like those found on this board and even McCain seems to be trying to pull this back a bit now.

McCain spoke up when some crazy woman said Obama was an Arab. Worse I'm sure has been said of McCain at Obama rallies. McCain hasn't denied the importance of knowing to what extent Obama has associations with known militant radicals either at home or abroad.

It would be to the advantage of Islamic terrorists like Al-Qaeda to have a president with a bellicose policy towards the Islamic world to be elected, as that is what feeds recruitment, increases the odds of a broader world war they seek, and costs the US in terms of lives and money. There's a moderate chance Bin Laden might try to imply an endorsement of Obama like he did Kerry in the waning days of the 2004 election to swing votes in the opposite direction because of this. But that only affected the election by a couple of points, which wouldn't be nearly enough in this case.

Arab nations overwhelmingly prefer Obama in office, as is the case with most foreign nations. They also say they'd like to see a weaker, not stronger, United Stated of America.

No kidding. Bush played into Bin Laden's hand in every way imaginable. He handed him a great recruitment tool in Iraq, as well.

Typical liberal spin.

Bush demolished Bin Laden's intelligence system and left his "army" to be run and operated by amateur recruits who would have been recruited no matter who was President at the time. The fact that Al Queida hasn't been successful in any subsequent terrorist attempts on American soil also speaks volumes. It frustrates Bin ladin, who has been forced to live out of a cave in Pakistani mountains.

The mentality that America is Satan and at war with Islam, is what caused the recruitment to flourish as it has been for decades. It is a popular mentality. That twisted mid-east worldview had been thriving ever since the creation of Israel. It was there during the early 90's when Clinton was President, since that was when Al Queida was able to plan the 9/11 attack with such sophistication.

In fact, it was because of a weak Clinton administration that Bin Laden was able to succeed in his bombing of the WTC, on both attempts. In 1996 Clinton was informedthat Bin Laden was within the sights of the Pakistani law enforcement, and they called the White House and asked him if they should arrest him. Clinton said to let him go. Obama would have done the same because he has no foresight. He speaks tough only when he wants to get elected but even in these instance he proves to military officials that he is an absolute moron when it comes to milityary matters. Announcing a willingness to invade a soverign country, simply because he thinks he has "proof" that an enemy of America is somewhere within its border, is nothing short of idiotic.

Simply put, Bin Ladin was strongest during the Clinton administration and weakest during the Bush administration. So to suggest he appreciates what Bush has done is to demonstrate a tremendous amount of ignorance of what it is Bin Ladin is trying to accomplish.

[_Some Schmo]

This is exactly the kind of post that a person doesn't even bother to respond, because it's so outrageously stupid, there's simply no point. You just want to pat the dimwit on the head and tell him to run along and play.

You know, for a supposed genius, you're pretty stupid, dart.

(This is where you think you can claim victory because I apparently "couldn't refute" your moronic claims. Go ahead. Have fun with that.)

LOL

[_moksha]

Does anyone really deny that terrorists would prefer a President Obama over a President McCain?

Good point. If terrorists broke into the White House, Obama would be able to help defend himself without collapsing. Greater strain on the terrorists.

[Guest]

Terrorists want the world to hate us. They want a war.

I'm afraid you just don't understand what the terrorists want. What you just said makes no sense at all, but it is typical rhetoric from the left. Obama Bin Ladin began his crusade because the United States maintained a military presence in the Middle-East. It pissed him off. One of teh main reasons he hates the Saudis is because they allow it to happen. He didn't just wake up one day and say to himself, "You, know, we'd all be happier over here if we could make the rest of the world hate Americans."

Obama wants to get our military out of Middle East as soon as possible. If he could do this Osama Bin Ladin would declare victory in a second because that was and always has been his goal. Again, you're ignoring the overwhelming evidence that virtually everyone in the Middle-East wants Obama to win, where Osama Bin Ladin also enjoys a healthy support base. Don't insult our intelligences by suggesting the terrorists would be happier with McCain.

People who vote and think the terrorism issue matters, shouldn't delude themselves with Tarski's rationale based on ignorance. It is every bit ignorant as the Republican's original claim that terrorists want to divide Americans and challenge our freedom, and if we only put up USA flags in our yards we'll be sticking it to them.

This was nonsense too. They didn't start a war with us because they don't like how we think about ourselves and our country. They think we are the ones who started the war. Just listen to what Osama said. Don't invent his reasons for your own political agenda.

By the way, the attempt to put Obama on the side of the terroists has created much bigotry and hate inlcuding shouts to kill Obama etc.

This is patently absurd. The worst drivel shouted at political rallies come from the rallies protesting Republicans. The Democrats protesting are the ones who resort to violence, not the Republicans. But if people want to kill Obama based on the fact that he has questionable ties to terrorists, you cannot blame the facts, you have to blame the person. What you are doing is assassinating critical thought by making it a crime to consider the evidence. For you, to do so means you're encouraging bigotry and promoting Obama's death!

Amazing.

The fact is Obama went over to Kenya and helped a politician get elected using the same tired "change you need" motto, and the man ended up being a genocidal maniac. The fact is Obama has close connections to radical extremists like Ayers who hate America. That there are so many people here who turn a blind eye to these facts while bending over backwards to divert attention to unnamed sources at Republican rallies, is one of the worst examples of confirmation bias I've seen in months. A nation that puts a man like this in office with its eyes wide open, deserves every bit of hell that will result in his election.

But hey, at least they can't be accused of racism, right?

I will never even dream of voting for a party that attracts the anti-intellectual, Bible fundamentist xenophobe haters that I have seen lately. Even McCain has become embarrassed by this.

In other words, you'll just vote for the least religious candidate. Yeah, no bigotry there. This is what I suspected a month ago when I said our resident atheists will vote against McCain instead of voting for Obama. They both believe in God, but people seem to think Obama is the least religious because of his stance on abortion.

The fact is Obama's religious congregations attracts the most fanatical of fanatics. You apparently are entirely ignorant of Black Liberation theology, of which Obama is a part. Did you know that it is Obama's theology, not Sarah Palin's, which presumes to tell people which side God is on? He's just doing what God wants him to. According to Obama's theology, the black race is God's chosen people. But then you wouldn't know this because the liberal media doesn't report these things. It is too busy trying to dig for dirt in Wasilla snow.

Recently I suggested this on another site and the responses included things like "f*** n88ers"

I've never heard or seen any instance of this on any political forum. How do you know these are not race-baiting Democrats just trying to make Republicans look bad? To base a vote on what unanimous posters say is pretty stupid.

I've really really had it with these people.

If they exist at all then they are a tiny minority that don't represent the mainstream conservative vote. But I see you're willing to dismiss Obama's few radical friends who have commited terrorism on American soil, engaged in voter fraud, engaged in anti-America doctrination, and now, have engaged in genocidal acts in Kenya.

I am surrounded by their angry toothless faces

Nothing bigoted about that comment. Stereotype much?

and have heard hints at wishes that Obama get shot. People are making me sick.

What people? Have any names to be named? Of course not. You're just poisoning the well with nonsense you heard through the fear-mongering rumor machine. They are doing everything they can to make this a race issue, and naïve people like you simply buy into it.

Obama is a good man and intelligent. I also think McCain has many virtues and is not a nut. But, his party attracts the worst in this country.

Democrats attract the extremely uneducated, the criminals, the drug dealers, the rap artists, etc. These are estabished facts based on statistics. But hey, at least they aren't religious. That would go against your own bigoted principles.

Like I said I've had it with these people. McCain needs a new party. I will vote for Obama.

And he will win, because ignorant people continue to vote for bigoted reasons. The irony here is that this is about your resentment of religion, and you claim to be against bigotry.