Palin's Speech: What do you think?

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Re: Palin's Speech: What do you think?

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Did you read the article I linked?


No

But I have read and listened to his comments in context.

Wright was clearly talking about specific acts that our country has engaged in, in the past, that any sane person would call "evil". (well, with the exception of throwing in the part about the Bush election, but most of his examples were clear and not controversial).


Wright did not only make over the top comments about the USA he made it about many other things.
Of course the US has also committed acts of great good. Democracy is a noble example and aspiration. We have intervened to help other oppressed peoples. If there were a God, I'm sure he would "bless" the US for those actions.


Ok

But none of this changes the fact that we've also committed great acts of evil. If there were a God, I'm equally sure he would "damn" the US for those actions. Do you disagree? Is God going to look the other way when we commit evil, as a nation, simply due to the fact that we have also, at times, committed acts of good?



Perhaps, perhaps not.
Wright's comments have been stripped of their context as a sound bite.


Hardly.
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beastie wrote:
Wright's comments have been stripped of their context as a sound bite.



Hi There Beastie,

This is basically, essentially, and virtually the same kind of arguments that LDS Apologists usually use a lot when LDS Critics quote from the Journal of Discourses or other LDS Church Sources.
And I have listened to nearly all of Rev. Wright's comments in thier correct Contexts.
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dartagnan wrote:ROFL. How long will they try to milk the slavery issue?It took place a century before any of todays blacks were even born. This is what Obama is listening to all these years? God help us all.

Think about this. Think about this. Maybe if more blacks abandoned their ghetto-rap culture and focus on education and family values, they'd get a job?
Did you know most black children are raised without a father? I guess the government is at fault for that too. When will they stop with this ridiculous victimhood complex and take responsibility for their own actions? To say people in America cannot get a job because of their color is just stupid. To say people in America cannot get an education is just stupid. There is more opportunity in the USA than any other country in the world, especially for minorities. I can say this with certainty, having lived in Germany, Holland, Brazil and Spain. Education is free here, and any serious attempt to take one's education seriously will result in college scholarship, especially if you're a minority; anyone remember that comedy "The Soul Man" with Thomas Howell? He had to paint himself as a black man so he could get a scholarship. This doesn't exist in Brazil, but it exists in America. In fact, thanks to the reverse discrimination policy of affirmative action, you have an advantage if you're a minority in both academia and the workplace.

Exactly. And whose fault is that? Who is keeping them from going to school and paying attention in class? Michael Jordan and LeBron James, that's who. Most black kids think their way to the success is by either making the NBA, rapping or dealing drugs.

Not because they're criminals, of course not. Because the white man arrests only black folks, and never with just cause. What a moron. Wright is a part of the problem, not the solution. The black communities should pay more attention to Bill Cosby and stay away from these radical freaks who insist on living in victimhood. Bill Cosby is the only one who really gets it, and if the black communities knew what was best for them, they would make this guy the next MLK instead of idiots like Wright and Obama who simply want them to be eternal victims.
"They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English," he said then. "I can't even talk the way these people talk: 'Why you ain't,' 'Where you is' . . . And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... 4Sep8.html
Yesterday, Cosby told his critics, "Come at me all you want." To those who criticized him for blaming the victim by preaching personal responsibility, he said: "I know a victim when I see one. And so did Christ. And so does God know victims. And so do we all recognize victims. But some victims you can look at and say, 'Get up.' "
Indeed, slaves of old, if they were alive today, would feel disgraced that they went through what they did, only to see how black Americans today have squandered their opportunities for success.
What an idiot.

Because they are generally being raised by a single Mom and MTV, trying to rap, deal or steal their way to success? And whose fault is that? They have no excuse if they finish HS and still cannot read. Hell, just listen to some of these NBA stars, who make it perfectly clear they skated through their educational institution because of the atheletic value they brought to the table. Even with a free ride through an accredited University, they still refuse to educate themselves. It amazes me how some of them finish four years of college and are barely literate. I am just glad that the NBA stood its ground and demanded these millionare players respect certain dress codes on the court, or else it would look like Puff Daddy guarding Kanye West.

The government throwing money at the poor black communities hasn't done anything to sway the course they choose for their children. This is what Obama promises to do, keep up the same broken welfare system running strong. The answers for changing the problems in black society reside strictly within. The parents have to make their kids take education seriously. They have to be at home and guide them along the way. They have to disabuse their kids of MTV and aspirations of making it as rap artists or NBA stars. And most of all, they have to instill in them a sense of responsibility to themselves, and expunge this virus of victimhood, which enables blacks everywhere to think they should be handed everything to them on a silver platter, just because of the "white man."

Oh yea, drop the BET channel and stop buying SOURCE and other strictly black magazines that only show black models. Talk about discrimination. What if there were such a thing as White Entertainment television? Stop buyiong your kids 200 dollar sneakers while claiming to be poor. Stop them from dressing like thugs with baggy pants and "gangsta" bandanas. Stop acting like you have ever been to Africa or have some connection to African culture by naming your kids ridiculous names like Jamiqua and don't'A. Stop claiming to be AFRICAN Americans and just say you're AMERICAN. Good grief. Imagine if caucassians called themselves European Americans? No wonder a sense of divisiveness seems to always exist.

The black communities revert to their cocoon because of idiots like Wright who feed off of them and their fears. He encourages them to get together and loathe each other as inferiors. They exclude themselves from society, not vice versa. In this day and age, you're more likely to see black parents get upset because their kid is dating a white person, instead of the other way around. This is Obama's philosophy? How can someone lead us to the future if he and his ilk are so intoxicated with a negative past?


Holy damned crap, man. I have yet to read a post that can even hold a candle to this hateful, offensive, openly racist and bigoted rant. Holy crap.

Should I be surprised?

A Christian Republican showing his true colors. God Bless 'Merica. Mmmhmmm.

Kevin, you are sick. Hopefully Mercury gets around to offing you before you impregnate someone with your foul seed.

Holy crap.
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As I mentioned in the another thread, I think it hilarious to see the left bashing someone over pre-marital sex and for being a woman with a career.


Yes, much as the Left suddenly discovered family values and the importance of fatherhood when Castro wanted Elian back.

All of which goes to show that Leftism, above all else, even above ideological purity, worships power.
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But as for me and my house, Barack Obama and Joe Biden merit our support.


As I've pointed out before, this is one of the primary effects of leaving the Church and then becoming a professional or amateur critic: intellectually and morally spongy secular liberalism, or fevered Protestant fundamentalism.

There seems to be little middle ground. The same thing has happened to Bachman (and secular liberalism seems well suited to atheism, which is why, no doubt, it is so overwhelmingly represented among that population).
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Holy f*****g s***, man. I have yet to read a post that can even hold a candle to this hateful, offensive, openly racist and bigoted rant. Holy s***.

Should I be surprised?

A Christian Republican showing his true colors. God Bless 'Merica. Mmmhmmm.

Kevin, you are sick. Hopefully Mercury gets around to offing you before you impregnate someone with your foul seed.

Holy s***.



I know you're not aware of it goodk, but all this shows is that you have, for all intents and purposes, recused yourself from any substantive participation in the marketplace of ideas.

What Dart is pointing out about Rap and Hip Hop culture is precisely and exactly correct. The disproportionate social pathology and economic woes of a core segment of the black population is directly related to inner city welfare underclass culture, of which Rap and Hip Hop are a primary element. The values of this culture are wholly inimical to success in economic or other social matters, and until a critical mass of black Americans reject it and its attitudes, values, mannerisms, and language, all to many blacks will continue to languish in an economic and moral wasteland.

The real ghetto is inside human beings goodk, not on the streets.
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Especially when one considers Obama's duplicity on his shared beliefs with his own pastor. That whacko circus freak who was stomping all over the stage getting the race-baiters riled up, saying God damns America, etc. This is the kind of radical ideology that has inspired Obama throughout his life.


This is, indeed, the irony of ironies, Brent attacking Palin for being an EV who engages in charismatic worship of some sort.

Somehow, in doing so, he's able to ignore 20 years of Wright and Pfleger, (not to mention the whole black liberation theology ideology (I'd hardly call it religious doctrine) that lurks at the base of everything Wright teaches.

Obama is a very smooth, very well kept authoritarian statist, and we will get a taste of what that really means once he is elected.
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Droopy wrote:I know you're not aware of it goodk, but all this shows is that you have, for all intents and purposes, recused yourself from any substantive participation in the marketplace of ideas.


Marketplace?

The only ideas I see from you and Dart are from a sleazy right-wing consignment shop.

What Dart is pointing out about Rap and Hip Hop culture is precisely and exactly correct.


Oh get the “F” out of here. Besides all the other things it is, it is the most stupid, out of touch thing I have read in a long time.

All it shows is how out of touch Kevin is with reality (we all knew this anyway) and how horribly racist he is. Your defense of this repulsiveness shows a lot about you, too.

The disproportionate social pathology and economic woes of a core segment of the black population is directly related to inner city welfare underclass culture, of which Rap and Hip Hop are a primary element.


BS. BS. BS.

(I'm calling BS, if you couldn't tell.)

Jesus damned Christ.

You have no clue what you are talking about. Your obviously too old, out of touch, and bigoted to think clearly about this.

until a critical mass of black Americans reject it and its attitudes, values, mannerisms, and language, all to many blacks will continue to languish in an economic and moral wasteland.


Apparently only black people listen to "rap and hip hop" -- or only black people are negatively impacted by it.

You're just as stupid and racist as Kevin.

The real ghetto is inside human beings goodk, not on the streets.
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Oh my. This is damned cute. Someone should stitch this onto a throw pillow.
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Marketplace?

The only ideas I see from you and Dart are from a sleazy right-wing consignment shop.


Case closesd.

Oh get the f*** out of here. Besides all the other things it is, it is the most stupid, out of touch thing I have read in a long time.


Case closed again.

b***s***. b***s***. b***s***.


Case closed yet again.


You have no clue what you are talking about. Your obviously too old, out of touch, and bigoted to think clearly about this.


And goodk proves and validates my point yet again...


Apparently only black people listen to "rap and hip hop" -- or only black people are negatively impacted by it.


Try reading my post and thinking about it for a change. Only a small percentage of blacks inhabit the inner city and are a part of the welfare underclass, but their values, mannerisms, dress, language, and culture has come to dominate black pop culture to a great degree. Most Rap and Hip Hop fans are white, because whites are still the overwhelming majority population, but whites do not have, despite the social pathology that besets them, the massive disproportions is such pathologies relative to their presence in the general population, and this culture, derived from the culture of the maximum security prison system and the inner city welfare underclass, are just as detrimental to whites as to blacks. But that's not the point. Blacks, at just under 13% of the population, commit 51% of all homicides, have an average 70% out of wedlock birth rate, huge high school drop out rates compared to other groups, and are a prey to other negative social indicators at grossly disproportionate rates.

Those are the facts, and leftist enablers of that culture like yourself will continue to do everything they can to ensure the cultural disintegration that is a part of too many black communities continues.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us

- President Ezra Taft Benson


I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.

- Thomas Sowell
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Droopy wrote:Try reading my post and thinking about it for a change.


“F” no. Are you kidding me? For the same reason I don't huff gasoline, I won't be doing that.

Only a small percentage of blacks inhabit the inner city and are a part of the welfare underclass, but their values, mannerisms, dress, language, and culture has come to dominate black pop culture to a great degree.


Here we go again:

BS, BS, BS.


Blacks, at just under 13% of the population, commit 51% of all homicides, have an average 70% out of wedlock birth rate, huge high school drop out rates compared to other groups, and are a prey to other negative social indicators at grossly disproportionate rates.


We know. Kevin already explained why. BET, The SOURCE, Michael Jordan, Lebron James, and rap music. You're damned kidding me, right?


Those are the facts


It must be a fun world to live in where you can pull things out of your fat pale ass and call them facts. Unfortunately, the only fact that has been established is that you and Kevin are racist. And a lot older and out of touch than I initially thought.

is a part of too many black communities continues.


Oh just go “F” yourself already. You don't know what you are talking about. When is the last time you've seen a black person in real life? You damned racist bumpkin.

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