Palin's Speech: What do you think?

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Re: Palin's Speech: What do you think?

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asbestosman wrote:
Droopy wrote:Blacks have an especially difficult road to hoe because of the destruction of the quality of inner city schools by the educracy and attitudes that associate middle class values (anti-"middle classness"-think Jeremiah Wright) with "acting white" and with racial betrayal.

I doubt that's the main cause of their educational difficulties. I think the disadvantaged home life has a lot more to do with it.


And what ideological/attitudinal variables do you think might predominate in such homes and what might their support system and origins be?

Could the separatist, anti-intellectual, racialist attitudes and values that permeate black pop culture and media be important in generating and sustaining such a disadvantaged home life? Could the welfare state itself be pivotal?
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And what ideological/attitudinal variables do you think might predominate in such homes and what might their support system and origins be?

Could the separatist, anti-intellectual, racialist attitudes and values that permeate black pop culture and media be important in generating and sustaining such a disadvantaged home life? Could the welfare state itself be pivotal?



Why, of course the "black pop culture and media" are to blame for the fact that the economically deprived often experience educational difficulties.....

after all, those difficulties clearly didn't start till that "black pop culture and media" came on the scene, did they?

Yeah, I know, I said I wouldn't say anything more about it. It's hard to resist such displays.
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Why, of course the "black pop culture and media" are to blame for the fact that the economically deprived often experience educational difficulties.....

after all, those difficulties clearly didn't start till that "black pop culture and media" came on the scene, did they?

Yeah, I know, I said I wouldn't say anything more about it. It's hard to resist such displays.


That didn't seem to prevent Bill Cosby from excelling, and he grew up in the Philadelphia Ghettos that so many others of his peers did but ended in destitution and prison.

I wouldn't expect anything intelligent or cogent from you Beastie, indeed, the above ideological fluff is exactly to order.

That poverty causes social pathology or educational failure is a modern leftist ideological folk tale, and a suitably self serving political one at that. It can, but only if other conditions are met (such as the kind of dysfunctional attitudes and values created by much of black pop culture, which is pretty much as bad as much of white pop culture, except that black pop culture features overtly racist and separatist themes that would simply not be tolerated among the guilty white liberals who dominate white pop culture).
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unctional attitudes and values created by much of black pop culture, which is pretty much as bad as much of white pop culture, except that black pop culture features overtly racist and separatist themes that would simply not be tolerated among the guilty white liberals who dominate white pop culture).


Excellent dodge.

Of course, there is also the very real possibility that you simply didn't grasp my point.
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You didn't make a point Beastie. All you're doing is regurgitating the same hoary excuses and socialist diaper changing the Left has been promoting to defend its failed Great Society for the last 35 years.

Move along, nothing to see here...
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Droopy wrote:You didn't make a point Beastie. All you're doing is regurgitating the same hoary excuses and socialist diaper changing the Left has been promoting to defend its failed Great Society for the last 35 years.

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You dare use the word "failed"? That's rich.

It's going to be hard to clean up the aftermath of rightwing deregulation, cronyism, coorporate welfare and unchecked greed and opulance-- but we will eventually do it.
Why don't you move to Alaska and help Palin's friends with the successonist efforts. You can rewrite history from up there (hint: the Clintons did it!).

Oh, and I am sure that you can help Sarah and her pastor Thomas Muthee rid Alaska of witches in preparation for the tribulation of the last days when Jesus will come and smack down the anti-Christ Obama and reward all good uber-capitalists and neoMcCarthyites then "holed up" in (non USA) Alaska. LOL


Meanwhile, everyone from Chris Buckley to Warren Buffet will be in the real world trying to create a fair and productive free society. Yes, a society. The very word sickens you doesn't it. Too bad Jesus isn't really coming back because you would have a few things to learn from the master:

"go and sell all that you have, and give to the poor"-Jesus (but don't do it as a society in an organized manner- that's socialism-LOL)

"it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."-Jesus

Well, hey. Don't ask me. He's your guy! (Or maybe not. LOL)

What a juxtoposition; Jesus and Droopy
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You didn't make a point Beastie. All you're doing is regurgitating the same hoary excuses and socialist diaper changing the Left has been promoting to defend its failed Great Society for the last 35 years.


Perhaps I was too subtle.

You are blaming the "black pop culture" for educational struggles among the poor, and yet educational struggles among the poor have long predated "black pop culture".

Other pertinent facts:

85% of juveniles in the court system have reading problems

More than 60% of prison inmates are functionally illiterate
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It's going to be hard to clean up the aftermath of rightwing deregulation, cronyism, coorporate welfare and unchecked greed and opulance-- but we will eventually do it.

This ridiculous canard has been blown to pieces for weeks, and you're going to come out with it as if you had the faintest clue? Like I said, stick to science and keep hiding out in the Ivory Tower Tarski, there is nothing out here in the real world for you except a chance to embarrass yourself. You have everything to lose and nothing to gain by bloviating in ignorance like this.

Even the left wingnut Alec Baldwin had to admit the democrats are the ones who screwed the pooch on this one. They are the ones who kept deceiving the public by telling us there was nothing wrong with FM/FM. Republicans were the ones who wanted reform over the years. The "deregulation" excuse is baseless. There hasn't been any "deregulation" since Bush. And the "cronyism" is clearly on the side of the democrats since they are the ones who have been running Freddy and Fanny for years.
Why don't you move to Alaska and help Palin's friends with the successonist efforts. You can rewrite history from up there (hint: the Clintons did it!).

Why don't you stop acting like a moron and just admit you haven't the faintest clue what you're talking about? I challenged you to name these "friends" in the other thread. You've repeated this twice now so I assume you must think you have a great point to make. So let's hear it.
Meanwhile, everyone from Chris Buckley to Warren Buffet will be in the real world trying to create a fair and productive free society. Yes, a society. The very word sickens you doesn't it. Too bad Jesus isn't really coming back because you would have a few things to learn from the master:
Well, hey. Don't ask me. He's your guy! (Or maybe not. LOL)

And you haven't the faintest clue what he taught. Did you mine these from Christopher Hitchens? Don't pretend you've actually read the Bible and understand it better than Christians. That would almost be as dumb as your comments above.

Jesus never taught that we should steal from the rich and give to the poor. Well, your Jesus Obama teaches that. There are left wingnuts already calling Obama the Messiah and even Jesus himself. How does it feel to be supporting a man who thginks he is a member of God's chosen race?
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dartagnan wrote:
It's going to be hard to clean up the aftermath of rightwing deregulation, cronyism, coorporate welfare and unchecked greed and opulance-- but we will eventually do it.

This ridiculous canard has been blown to pieces for weeks,

Sure. I'm sure that in your right-wing world that's quite true. Whatever Rush says. I've already heard the excuses.


and you're going to come out with it as if you had the faintest clue? Like I said, stick to science and keep hiding out in the Ivory Tower Tarski,


Ivory Tower? LOL. Oh how original (Not). Tell me how I am not in the real world Kevin? How so?
Really? Be specific! This Ivory Tower thing is silly BS.

I have two children who do manual labor, a working wife and two grand kids under 6. I watch the television, read the paper, eat at McDonald's, suffer through the O'Reilly factor, watch the usual mainstream movies, talk to my cop son in law and my republican parents. I worked in the defense industry, I eat steak, I camp and hike, and play electric guitar (once semi-professionally). I worked construction for years in my late teens. I read the Bible many times. I lived in other countries for a while. My father worked for the Dept of transportation and my mother made drapes and clothes.

I drank some beer and played some basket ball.

Now where is that Tower?

Is it because I know science and math and I teach it at a university? Is that my tower?

Maybe its because I read about both sides of issues instead of going only to places that side with one party? Is that the sin?

You have everything to lose and nothing to gain by bloviating in ignorance like this.

Yah, I'm an ignorant idiot. You mistake insult for argument.




And you haven't the faintest clue what he taught.

Well, I was brought up steeped in the Bible. I read it many times and pondered the words of Jesus for years. I took Bible classes, read "Jesus the Christ" and I have Catholic wife.

Aren't you just full of it?

I think you have the very same over-confident aggressive style you had back when you were essentially parroting Nibley.

You came around.

You might find there is some more of that "coming around" yet to happen.

By the way, this is my second attempt at an answer. It's much shorter. The first one detailed responses about Palin, Muthee, witches and Todd and AIP. It was so long that when I went to post it I had been logged out. It was all lost. Maybe I'll do it again--but then nothing I say would put a dent in your world view. You know right where to go on the net to get the spin.
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Yeah, Kevin is a racist. I was pretty reserved about making such a judgment, but there's enough consilience between different kinds of comments to feel confident in that conclusion. For what it is worth, Jay-Z is a decent writer. He's not Stephen Merrit or anything, but he's better than most lyricists.

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Personally, I blame white cyclical poverty on country music culture. Damn pointy-headed socialists in their Ivory Towers with their fancy-pants degrees in sociology just don't realize how simple it is.
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