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Re: Why I’m Voting for Obama and Mormonism

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Excuse me pal, I watch O'Reilly regularly. Ever seen the YouTube video of him swearing his head off? O'Reilly talks over people he disagrees with and gives free reign to those he agrees with. Larry King is an excellent interviewer. Jon Stewart shows O'Reilly's hypocrisy in his inconsistent attitude about the Palin's daughters pregnancy (family matter, leave them alone) and that of the Spear's sister ( disgusting parental lack of authority). Take your biased glasses off Jason


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tJjNVVwRCY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLhq4qQMxs8 (Real America) ????
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Excuse me pal, I watch O'Reilly regularly.


Do you watch his show or biased snippets.


Ever seen the YouTube video of him swearing his head off? O'Reilly talks over people he disagrees with and gives free reign to those he agrees with


I have seen O'Reilly get unhinged a few times. I think overall he is pretty fair and rakes liberals and conservatives over the coals when either side deserves it.


. Larry King is an excellent interviewer.


Bwaaaahahahaha!! I like Larry King. But he is a lightweight and more into it for entertainment. Cream puff interviews.

Jon Stewart shows O'Reilly's hypocrisy in his inconsistent attitude about the Palin's daughters pregnancy (family matter, leave them alone) and that of the Spear's sister ( disgusting parental lack of authority


Yea I saw the Stewart clip. I agree that this was a bad move on O'Reilly's part. Nobody is perfect.


Take your biased glasses off Jason


I am really not all that biased. I noted that Hannity is a hack. I used to like Hannity but his harangue this election season has been over the top and his mantra tiring. I just noted O'Reilly tends to be fair, not always, but most the time.

Now I have watched your posting. If anyone is biased here it is you sir.
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Jason Bourne wrote:
I am really not all that biased. I noted that Hannity is a hack. I used to like Hannity but his harangue this election season has been over the top and his mantra tiring. I just noted O'Reilly tends to be fair, not always, but most the time.

Now I have watched your posting. If anyone is biased here it is you sir.




Aussieguy55 our friend around here, is indeed, a very biased Liberal Poster around here.

And also aussieguy55, why do you care so much about U.S. American Politics when you live far away down under within Australia? I live here within the United States of America and am an American Citizen; and as an American Citizen, I am able to vote for U.S. President. I will be able, and I will be voting for U.S. Senator John McCain for U.S. President. Are you able to vote for Senator Barack Obama, aussieguy55, living down under within Australia?

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Droopy wrote:
Out of morbid curiosity, what exactly has history taught us in the last century?


That people like Barack Obama, if left to their own devices, ruin economies, scar and impoverish human potential, and level, flatten, and emaciate entire peoples culturally, intellectually, morally, and economically...


Would you say that FDR is somebody "like" Barack Obama?
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beastie wrote:
I do think his VP pick showed better judgement than McCain's. I think McCain knows the Iraq war is costly but I worry that Obama will pull out too soon. Wish we were never there but now we have to see it through.


My nephew recently served in Iraq. His opinion - which is shared by many of the soldiers he served with - is that there is a natural "ceiling" of what we can hope to attain in Iraq, and we've probably reached that ceiling. Any further progress will have to happen within the country itself, after our removal.

I think it's also important to note that the Iraqi citizens have pretty much segregated themselves, now, which is a factor to be considered in terms of weighing possible future escalations of violence.

Obama has frequently said that it's important that we be as thoughtful getting out of Iraq as we should have been prior to going in. I agree totally with this. In fact, Obama has been criticized by those who want an immediate withdrawal, as well.

Although my respect for Colin Powell was eroded after he misled the country in his testimony to the UN, he does know a lot about the situation, and I suspect will be willing to advise Obama.


Other than entering into the war in the first place, the biggest mistake was surely the DeBaathification order. Just because Saddam was evil does not mean everyone in the secular Baath party was. The neocons applied a sixty year old solution from Europe to a modern, Middle Eastern country.
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Analytics wrote:
Would you say that FDR is somebody "like" Barack Obama?


There are similarities. I don't care for FDR, though, so those similarities do not encourage me.
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"The top-rated cable news host has said he was humiliated by the suit, which charged that he spoke to Mackris about sexual fantasies, masturbation and vibrators while sometimes seeming to pleasure himself. But for O'Reilly to strike a settlement without an expression of regret, which is often demanded in litigation against high-profile figures, is a partial victory that spares him further embarrassment."
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Amazing how many Republicans, upholders of Family Values have been in trouble
Foley, Gingrich etc
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With in Australia have universal health insurance, transfer payments to people with children and a budget surplus. We are not obsessively patriotic as you guys are. You have slavery for several hundred years, then segregation and lynching. You interfere in the Government of Countries whose policies you don't like. You called Hussein a bad man yet supported him in a war against Iran but did nothing about Pinochet in Chile. Sweden, Norway and Finland are ahead of you in standards of living (I know wicked socialists who keep on being reelected ). You preach the free market and yet subsidize farmers when Australian farmers can grow it without subsidies. God bless Australia, land of the long weekend where we know how to relax. (Throw another scrimp on the barbecue)
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Calculus Crusader wrote:
Analytics wrote:
Would you say that FDR is somebody "like" Barack Obama?


There are similarities. I don't care for FDR, though, so those similarities do not encourage me.

To me, it is clear Barak Obama is a Democrat after the order of FDR. He believes that the government should provide a basic safety net and actively pursue a society with a healthy middle class rather than the “winner take all” system where the rich get ultra-rich and the working class flounders. He agrees with Warren Buffet that it is unconscionable that Buffet pays a lower tax rate than his administrative assistant does.

In other words, he is an unabashed liberal American after the order of FDR. Further, he recognizes the complexities of issues and, and is generally respectful and empathetic to other points of view.

Now, people can disagree with his viewpoints. They can believe there shouldn’t be a social safety net. They can believe that the government can burden our children with even more debt so that we can give more tax breaks to the ultra-rich. They can believe that the government shouldn’t ensure that everybody gets a quality education or basic health care.

But the anti-Obama crowd goes beyond that. They describe Obama as a Marxist after the order of Pol Pot who not only will “ruin economies, scar and impoverish human potential, and level, flatten, and emaciate entire peoples culturally, intellectually, morally, and economical” but, if his core beliefs are taken to their logical conclusion, also “will fill graves from horizon to horizon.” In the words of antishock8, he fears Obama will literally, “jail and kill Conservatives.”

What I’m trying to figure out is if this is what they think of liberals after the order of FDR in general, or if they think that Obama really doesn’t believe what he says he does, but rather is a terrorist-communist-boogey-man who is just posing until he gets enough power to round up conservatives into concentration camps.

In either case, they are way past having jumped the shark of reasonability. I'm just curious if their paranoid delusions are aimed at all Democrats, or just at Obama.
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aussieguy55 wrote:With in Australia have universal health insurance, transfer payments to people with children and a budget surplus. We are not obsessively patriotic as you guys are. You have slavery for several hundred years, then segregation and lynching. You interfere in the Government of Countries whose policies you don't like. You called Hussein a bad man yet supported him in a war against Iran but did nothing about Pinochet in Chile. Sweden, Norway and Finland are ahead of you in standards of living (I know wicked socialists who keep on being reelected ). You preach the free market and yet subsidize farmers when Australian farmers can grow it without subsidies. God bless Australia, land of the long weekend where we know how to relax. (Throw another scrimp on the barbecue)




You make a few invalid and a few valid points. I agree with that the US interferes far too much in world affairs. Some has turned really bad for us and the rest of the world. I tire of us being the policeman of the world and often feel we should let the rest of you step up to the plate or rot in the hell that you may end up with. However, I do seem to recall that had the US not involved itself in the last two world wars things might be very different in the world today.

As for health care and the wondrous success of the Australian plan, well your country had the population of one of our larger states. Doing such things for a nation of 300,000,000 posed unique challenges.

Yes the US does subsidize some agriculture and I think it wise to do so. It is in the interest of national security to secure a solid and safe supply of food. Now we just need to do it for energy so we can l tell the middle east and our other energy suppliers to go straight to hell.
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