Obama = bad?

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Re: Obama = bad?

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You guys think this cat was joking when he wanted to create a "national civilian military" that was equal in power to our current military? What do you think he's going to do with it? Clean streets? Feed the homeless? Or do you think he was just talking out his ass? This dude is very serious about debt-financing, as a way to "jump start" our economy, but... Will it be on infrastructure, or will it be on an aparatus that consolidates political power?


The latter according to his proposals. However, for an extra $50, the local Truth Squad will get your cat down out of a tree.

....and then arrest you for animal abuse.
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And then ofcourse, here comes the false flag: http://www.infowars.com/?p=5816
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Excerpts from Obama's site:

Engage Retiring Americans in Service on a Large Scale: Older Americans have a wide range of skills and knowledge to contribute. Obama and Biden will expand and improve programs that connect individuals over the age of 55 to quality volunteer opportunities.


As far as I can tell, this is volunteer, optional.

Expand Service-Learning in Our Nation's Schools: Obama and Biden will set a goal that all middle and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year. They will develop national guidelines for service- learning and will give schools better tools both to develop programs and to document student experience. Green Job Corps: Obama and Biden will create an energy-focused youth jobs program to provide disadvantaged youth with service opportunities weatherizing buildings and getting practical experience in fast-growing career fields.


When someone talks about "community service" I/we associate that with crime, repaying the community for a minor crime. But 50 hours a year isn't much, less than one hour a week. And some of the young generation are really loose cannons who need some more discipline, so I'm in two minds about this (if you don't mind me giving my opinion as an outsider who lives in a "socialist country"). I think the majority of Australians would support something like this now.

Require 100 Hours of Service in College: Obama and Biden will establish a new American Opportunity Tax Credit that is worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year.


That "require" word is ominous. But at the moment it's contradictory with "opportunity tax credit". Does that mean you'll be forced to have this "opportunity"? The tax credit sounds good, but it's taking away personal choice from people you'd think more responsible than high schoolers.

Social Security:

As part of a bipartisan plan that would be phased in over many years, they will ask those making over $250,000 to contribute a bit more to Social Security to keep it sound.


We pretty much already have that in Oz with higher income tax brackets. Many don't like it but we've learned to live with it.

Unions:

"We're ready to take the offense for organized labor. It's time we have a President who didn't choke saying the word 'union.' We need to strengthen our unions by letting them do what they do best --- organize our workers. If a majority of workers want a union, they should get a union. It's that simple.


As long as unionism remains voluntary it shouldn't be a problem. Strenghtening them is an excellent idea.

He has lots of potentially good policies which could bring radical changes to America, not the least being health care. It's a mixed bag.
It could be a radical gamble, win or lose, but I think it has the potential to win, over all. If the compulsory programs don't work, or prove too unpopular, I'm not sure what measures are available to amend that under your system of government.
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Re: Obama = bad?

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Brenton wrote:And then ofcourse, here comes the false flag: http://www.infowars.com/?p=5816


Look truther, you need to take a hard look at your life and realize that there is not a conspiracy around every corner lurking in the shadows to plant thermithe in the WTC.

What you need is some sense, a Thorazine drip and a quick boot to the ass.

Go ahead, spout your nonsensical asinine "logic" and live in your own world. You still work a dead end job and have no control over your destiny. Get over it and educate yourself on how the world works. Maye you can bump yourself up to assistant night manager someday.
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Mercury wrote:
Brenton wrote:And then ofcourse, here comes the false flag: http://www.infowars.com/?p=5816


Look truther, you need to take a hard look at your life and realize that there is not a conspiracy around every corner lurking in the shadows to plant thermithe in the WTC.

What you need is some sense, a Thorazine drip and a quick boot to the ass.

Go ahead, spout your nonsensical asinine "logic" and live in your own world. You still work a dead end job and have no control over your destiny. Get over it and educate yourself on how the world works. Maye you can bump yourself up to assistant night manager someday.


I actually don't work. HAHHA, it's called being a student.

I'm sorry but you have a right to refuse to see how fake it is, but I have a right to say what's right.

Above all, even if there was nothing in the building to make it fall -- NORAD and FAA stood down.
People have tried to throw half facts at me on here trying to tell me that NORAD was not directed to protect the commerical skies.
Well, since they are here to protect from air hijacks as one of their major "watchdogs". This means all air hijacks, nowhere have they ever specified that they are for military only.
But anyway, this thread isn't about 9/11.
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Re: Obama = bad?

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bcspace wrote:
So far I understand he's offering tax credits of up to $4,000 in return for 100 hours of community service.


The question is "What kind of community service?" Obama has already proposed a national service organization "as well funded as the military" and based on Public Allies.

So, for $4000, I get to go campaign against Prop 8 for 100 hours. No thanks.


I guess one could always become a conscientious objector and go to Canada.

OTOH, you could be LDS, pay $4,000 and and campaign for Prop 8 for 100 hours. What a deal.
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One day you will wake up and realize that your ITT tech "degree" is worthless.

Also you will realize that the planes that flew into the towers caused them to fall, we will have a good laugh about it and then I will pay you for the pizza you delivered to me. You will then proceed to get the hell off my porch.
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Mercury wrote:
sandyvagina wrote:I'm sorry but you have a right to refuse to...blahblahblahimanidiotblahblahblahicantunderstandbasicphysicsblahblahitsallacoverupblah
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One day you will wake up and realize that your ITT tech "degree" is worthless.

Also you will realize that the planes that flew into the towers caused them to fall, we will have a good laugh about it and then I will pay you for the pizza you delivered to me. You will then proceed to get the hell off my porch.


Funny. But I wouldn't take such a job.
I'd rather starve.

Speaking of rational thinking... :P


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Re: Obama = bad?

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Brenton wrote:Funny. But I wouldn't take such a job.
I'd rather starve.

Speaking of rational thinking... :P


ah dear.


"funny"....but you didn't deny the ITT tech claim.
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More on the tax credit from Obama's site:

Finally, Barack believes every young American who has the drive should be able to attend college. To help make college a reality for all students, Barack will provide a $4,000 annual tax credit to every American student. This will make community college nearly free for most students, and cover two-thirds the costs of an average state college or university.


The idea of expecting community service in return for this, doesn't really sound unreasonable to me (in light of this further information). He could approach it in another way, as we now do in Oz, and that's to expect university students to fully pay for their education. That's right. If you want to become a doctor, for example, you can pay upfront for your education, or pay it back when you start work, but the first few years after graduation you're going to have to pay back every cent for your university education.

Heck, it sounds like he's actually making it easier for Americans than it currently is for us. There's no free university education in Oz today, which means that unless you have money, or are willing to pay everything back "soon", you're out. That's why rich Asian students now dominate many campuses.
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