Black Friday - Bloody Friday

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Re: Black Friday - Bloody Friday

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You show up with an off topic post with a picture of a bunch of black people which you call savages and then essentially dare someone to call you a racist.
Nice.


Dared!

A little melodramatic are we?

The fact is anyone who kills another human by stomping on them is a savage in my book, regardless of color.

There were reportedly 200 people there. That isn't enough to full up a Wal-mart parking lot so there is no excuse for them behaving the way they did. Your explanation doesn't add up. Yes, they were acting like savages, and I don't apologize for that, and neither does the witness who said the same thing. They killed a man and kept on walking. I would have posted the photo and said the same thing if it were a bunch of caucassians or Chinese.

But, as I said, when I saw the photo I hesitated posting because I knew there were plenty of idiots like you on the forum just dying to cry racism. It makes you feel important and less bigoted than you really are. If I were the kind of person who gave a rats ass what idiots like you thought of me, well, we already know I'm not that kind of person who lets social expectations determine his actions.
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The problem with the world is that there are bigots, race-baiters, those who bait race-baiters (race-baiter-baiters), and soon I suspect we'll get race-baiter-baiter-baiters, textual mirrors, textual vampires, pandemonium, pandora, paranoia, and parasitic postings. Phew.

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Re: Black Friday - Bloody Friday

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dartagnan wrote:
You show up with an off topic post with a picture of a bunch of black people which you call savages and then essentially dare someone to call you a racist.
Nice.


The fact is anyone who kills another human by stomping on them is a savage in my book, regardless of color.

And you're sure that they deliberately stomped on the person, deliberately stomped them to death. How are you sure of that? Would you be so sure of it if the crowd was a bunch of old white ladies trying to get first chance to have their bad knees healed by Benni Hinn?

You see what you want to see.

Oh and 200+ people being pushed through the doors of a Walmart isn't a lot of people. No. Not at all.

Keep judging. I'm sure God is your side.
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Re: Black Friday - Bloody Friday

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Tarski is the true racist. He's a case study in projection. It's the strangest think I've ever seen with Whitey. They're absolutely shrill when it comes to their own racist tendencies, of which, they vomit all over other white people who aren't nearly as racist as they are. Overacting is bad form, Sir. I strongly recommend you stay away from poker.
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Re: Black Friday - Bloody Friday

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antishock8 wrote:Tarski is the true racist. He's a case study in projection. It's the strangest think I've ever seen with Whitey. They're absolutely shrill when it comes to their own racist tendencies, of which, they vomit all over other white people who aren't nearly as racist as they are. Overacting is bad form, Sir. I strongly recommend you stay away from poker.

Ya right.
Because I don't call the whole crowd savages and don't assume the whole crowd is guilty I am a racist.
I'm not the one who brings in the mark of Cain humor--yet I am the racist?

I guess when someone lets their contempt for black people show through repeatedly we all have to pretend we don't see it---or, we're, um, racist ourselves. Nice logic.

Most racists act innocent of being racists no matter what they say or how they act and they often try to turn the tables. But all I can say to that is nice try.

Maybe you two aren't racist--maybe you only seem racist. But then maybe Benny Hinn only seems like a phoney and Liberace only seemed gay:
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Re: Black Friday - Bloody Friday

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I saw this post when Kevin first posted it, and I thought to myself hey, there's only black people in that picture - this thread will come to no good at all. Sure enough...

I do think Kevin was stirring the pot. I have to agree with Tarski it looks like Kevin posted that photo in this forum and just dared anyone to call him racist over it. If it's not race baiting, then it's race baiter baiting, as a previous poster implied.

Right from the get-go there was no way this thread wasn't going to turn out badly. One way or another.
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Re: Black Friday - Bloody Friday

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And you're sure that they deliberately stomped on the person, deliberately stomped them to death. How are you sure of that?

I don't need to be sure of it, the same way I wouldn't need to be sure that fatal hit and run accidents are not deliberate. I still hold it against the culprits for fleeing the scene and leaving someone to die. And it gets more up close and pseronal when you run over someone physically. You must be especially void of character if you ignore the death of a man you just caused, and continue shopping.
Would you be so sure of it if the crowd was a bunch of old white ladies trying to get first chance to have their bad knees healed by Benni Hinn?

You keep asking the same race-baiting questions, fishing for an answer you're never going to get, and it only shows how desperate and bankrupt your presmise really is, not how racist I am. You operate with a very loose definition of the word. At its core, racism is the belief that one race is inherently superior to another. There is nothing I have said on this forum that would suggest I believed this - ever. I've challenged you to produce examples and you can't do it. All you can do is offer your own psychoanalysis as to why you think I've said some things regarding race issues. But the irony here is I have done more for black people than you ever will.

You are like Bill Ayers, the moron who actually thinks he's showing overwhelming tolerance by acting on behalf of the NAACP and using their usual scare tactics. You actually voted for Obama partially because you think you would be a racist if you didn't. If a white guy suggests people will vote for Obama because he is black, you consider that racist. But when more than 96% of the black voters vote for the black guy, that's not racism at all. It can't be. It your universe, to even think it is racism.

I point to reverse discrimination in the country and the double standards that plague our society and keep the black man down. You cannot logically argue against my points. You never could. All you can do is revert to the racist label, which makes you no different than Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, who see racism in every little nook and cranny (i.e. NASCAR doesn't have enough black drivers!)
Cell phone video obtained by CBS 2 HD shows Jdimytai Damour, a 34-year-old part-time employee hired as a holiday temp. He was crushed in the onslaught and pronounced dead an hour later. As responding Nassau police and paramedics tried to save him, they were also jostled and pushed to the ground.

So even after the authorities and paramedics arrived on the scene, people were still forcing their way in. At least we can expect a slow down and "rubber necking" on the highway when fatal accidents occur.

From the photo here you can see people rushing in, not because a outside "force" was forcing them in, but because they were rushing. The bottle-necking caused by the doors wouldn't allow the massive wave of people to enter the way you seem to envision it. Your recreation of the events simply don't add up.

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You see what you want to see.

A picture says a thousand words. Just look at them. I also read the witness accounts whereas you are inventing your version as you go. They don't support your version. The people were not "being pushed" by some inexplicable force. It was these people who were doing the pushing. The doors were not "pushed" down: "They took the doors off the hinges...They were jumping over the barricades and breaking down the door."

"Stampeded, trampled, rushed," were the words used to describe the event. People who entered through the "bottle neck" took off running on their own and the photo supports this. After entering the store you can see them running several feet apart from one another. Nobody was "pushing" them at this point.

"When they were saying they had to leave, that an employee got killed, people were yelling, 'I've been on line since Friday morning!'" Cribbs said. "They kept shopping."

Sorry if this isn't savage enough for you.

Maybe if they were white people praying along the way?
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Re: Black Friday - Bloody Friday

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Tarski wrote:
antishock8 wrote:Tarski is the true racist. He's a case study in projection. It's the strangest think I've ever seen with Whitey. They're absolutely shrill when it comes to their own racist tendencies, of which, they vomit all over other white people who aren't nearly as racist as they are. Overacting is bad form, Sir. I strongly recommend you stay away from poker.

Ya right.
Because I don't call the whole crowd savages and don't assume the whole crowd is guilty I am a racist.
I'm not the one who brings in the mark of Cain humor--yet I am the racist?

I guess when someone lets their contempt for black people show through repeatedly we all have to pretend we don't see it---or, we're, um, racist ourselves. Nice logic.

Most racists act innocent of being racists no matter what they say or how they act and they often try to turn the tables. But all I can say to that is nice try.

Maybe you two aren't racist--maybe you only seem racist. But then maybe Benny Hinn only seems like a phoney and Liberace only seemed gay:
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Just look at this guy. He's tripping all over himself to prove he isn't racist. In fact, he's SO not racist that he can say the n-word! Yes! It's not compulsive behavior that sets him off, but his enlightened way of thinking *I'mnotracistI'mnotracistI'mnotracist!*. Funny how Tarski's religion offers him absolution by belonging to the only cult that will relieve him of his self-loathing and hate toward people that don't look like him. Pretty sad.
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Re: Black Friday - Bloody Friday

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AS, you're getting on Tarski's case, talking about cult and self-loathing and whatnot? Really? That's just plain bizarre. I'm guessing you haven't read much from Tarski before.
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Re: Black Friday - Bloody Friday

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dartagnan wrote:

But the irony here is I have done more for black people than you ever will.


Evidence please.

You actually voted for Obama partially because you think you would be a racist if you didn't.

Wrong.
Evidence please. (You will have to explain why I voted for Clinton in the primaries and why I would never vote for Jesse Jackson.)
Evidence please.

You are like Bill Ayers

LOL
To use your own words "You dumbass". (Name calling is part of the "logic" you think I can't argue against)
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