GoodK wrote:marg wrote: My argument has only been that based on posts if someone presents themselves as sexually liberal, not likely to be offended by a proposition, it is not unreasonable for any male or female for that matter to pick up on sexual cues and act on them. There's nothing wrong with that. And I do believe based on my perception of what was written on the board that cues were given, that's the other argument I've made.
I don't believe we are simply talking about a proposition - nor would I describe what I've heard to have happened as indicative of a sexual liberal. Either that or I must be the sexual equivalent of the Colloque Walter Lippmann.
Sorry Eric, don't get your Walter Lippman reference and I'm not going to look it up atm.
Absolutely, more than a proposition may be involved. So let me summarize briefly my position which would include that.
I don't see how direct pm's to another person can effectively result in significant harrassment, sexual or otherwise, unless it involves blackmail or a threat. I don't think it matters how crude, rude, lewd they may be. We all come across that sort of stuff on the message board from time to time, or on the Net and as adults we can choose to ignore. So if you open up a pm which is offensive, one has options, one can ignore and even the next time not open.
Where I see harassment occurring is when someone spreads malicious rumors, either lies or something which will malign the reputation or character of another, either off the board or on the board. It's next to impossible to control the former, the latter can be controlled through mod deletion though damage may be done. Or course someone mocking or demeaning with intent to malign character would be harassing, on or off the board.
Again not really Eric. Leykis is basically advising guys from what I can gather by my very brief exposure, to not get taken in by girls using sex to trap a guy for selfish purposes. And that a guy should focus on establishing a career first and foremost before worrying about developing a serious relationship, for his own best interests and actually that of his future family should he have one.
Like Dr. Robbers already mentioned, the teachings of Leykis go far beyond the "forty dollar limit" or the "three date rule" - he talks a lot about sexual harassment. Just this past Monday his show was about why men shouldn't go to their company Christmas party, and it had everything to do with sexual harassment. The 97.1 free fm website is down right now, otherwise I'd link to a podcast of it.
Well a man or woman should refrain from dating, having affairs, or doing anything which might be construed as sexual harassment with a co-worker. That makes sense because one puts one's job at risk, both in loosing it or loosing opportunities for advancement.
Thanks Gad for explaining Leykis further to me. I might comment tomorrow on what you said.
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