bcspace wrote:Which tells me that you did not read it at all is this is not Watson's claim.
There are a few other problems among the Brigham Young materials, but they all relate to an inaccurate reporting or transmission of the text.
Jason has read extensively on Adam God.
Jason used to argue the nonsensical idea that BC argues-BY did not really teach this, look at what else he had to say, was he talking about Adam Sr of Adam Jr.
bcspace wrote:Jason has read extensively on Adam God.
As have I.Jason used to argue the nonsensical idea that BC argues-BY did not really teach this, look at what else he had to say, was he talking about Adam Sr of Adam Jr.
Jason does not consider other quotes by BY in which an Adam-God theory is impossible to contemplate if BY taught the same doctrine consistently. Adam Sr. and Adam Jr. is the only plausible explaination so far.
I have seen the Watson paper and it contains post hoc speculation attempting to reconcile BY and the doctrine of eternal progression. But nothing that indicates that BY actually had two different beings in mind.
Mother Eve was the daughter of Adam." [WWJ 7:152, Aug 31, 1873]
Mad Viking wrote:Adam = Our God
Jehovah = Adam's God
Elohim = Jehovah's God
bcspace wrote:Can anyone articulate the "Adam-God" theory that is attributed to Brigham Young?
Yes. But "attributed" is the operative word.
BY never taught such a thing. His opinion actually was that God the Father and Mother came to earth and by partaking of the physical fruits, conceived the Adam and Eve who fell. Thus God the Father and Mother became a type of Adam and Eve to Adam and Eve.
Alter Idem wrote:Kolohe wrote:Can anyone articulate the "Adam-God" theory that is attributed to Brigham Young?
Thanks to Cinepro's link, I can. Thank-you, thank-you Cinepro!!!!
I wrote on this topic on my blog at MADB.
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... blogid=18&
From my article;
In a nutshell, this is what the Adam-God theory which Brigham Young taught comprised;
Adam was a resurrected, immortal being, someone who had lived on an earth like ours, had received his exaltation and become one of "the gods". In the celestial world he and his wives begat spirit children (that's us) and so he is the father of all the spirits who inhabit this earth. He and his wife Eve came to earth and together they ate the fruits and veges of the earth, which had the effect on their bodies as to allow them to bear mortal children. They became as little children, forgetting all and "fell" that the plan could carry on. Later they died, but "did not lay their bodies down in the dust" but went back to the spirit world.
Jesus Christ is Adam's oldest spirit son, his heir; He was the firstborn of his spirit children in the Celestial world. Hence it was Adam who came to the virgin Mary and is the literal father of Jesus.
Pres.Young did not explain what relationship there was between Eloheim, Jesus Christ and Adam--but he did suggest that Eloheim is the Grandfather of Adam. (see page 18-19) Brigham Young saw Eloheim as a separate being from Adam and claimed that Adam had contact with his "grandfather" and "great-grandfathers"...these would be more of "the Gods" mentioned in scripture. So, Adam does not equal Eloheim--at least not the Eloheim who cursed Cain..that was the "grandfather" Adam.
Yes to all of the above
"Adam" is also a title--he used it as a title when explaining at times and this can add to the confusion.
Exactly, just like God, Christ, ... Bishop are titles, different individuals fill the roles ... its been suggested that the Holy Ghost role may rotate for this creation ... i.e. been rumored that Joseph Smith filled it at one time. The temple clearly teaches that each of us can become the role of Adam (temple is a future glimps, not a history leason)
Also, the Adam/God theory that Fundamentalists preach today is different. I'm pretty certain they identify Adam as being also Eloheim, but Brigham Young did not make that identification.
Jason Bourne wrote:...
BY certainly did teach Adam God and he institutionalized it the the temple endowment at the St George Temple.
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But he did teach it for over 25 year.
RockSlider wrote:...
BY certainly did teach Adam God and he institutionalized it the the temple endowment at the St George Temple.
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But he did teach it for over 25 year.