Sure, Faithful Parents Save Wayward Children.. no problem.

[_ajax18]

This seems similar in a way to my constant questioning of what good is it to live the commandments all your life when just living them the last year of your life seems to produce the exact same results. The only conclusion I've found is that perhpas God makes up the rules as He goes and isn't as predictable as we'd like to think? And in some way not understandable to me he is just as well as merciful?

The explanation I've heard most often to the seeming unfairness afforded to wicked people from righteous families as opposed to wicked people of wicked families is what we did in the pre-existence. In other words each individual still has to earn everything he gets, but perhaps they earned it before they fouled up in this life.

I agree with you Harmony that my mission presidents explanation left a lot to be desired. I still salute him for at least trying to make a logical conclusion about it even if it wasn't completely warm and fuzzy.

[_Inconceivable]

The explanation I've heard most often to the seeming unfairness afforded to wicked people from righteous families as opposed to wicked people of wicked families is what we did in the pre-existence. In other words each individual still has to earn everything he gets, . but perhaps they earned it before they fouled up in this life

Here is some of the doctrine you refer to:

3 And this is the manner after which they were ordained—being called and prepared from the foundation of the world according to the foreknowledge of God, on account of their exceeding faith and good works; in the first place being left to choose good or evil; therefore they having chosen good, and exercising exceedingly great faith, are called with a holy calling, yea, with that holy calling which was prepared with, and according to, a preparatory redemption for such.
4 And thus they have been called to this holy calling on account of their faith, while others would reject the Spirit of God on account of the hardness of their hearts and blindness of their minds, while, if it had not been for this they might have had as great privilege as their brethren.
5 Or in fine, in the first place they were on the same standing with their brethren; thus this holy calling being prepared from the foundation of the world for such as would not harden their hearts, being in and through the atonement of the Only Begotten Son, who was prepared—

(Book of Mormon | Alma 13:3 - 5)

[_Jason Bourne]

Inc in is irrational hatred of all things LDS once again takes a cheap shot. He also ignores this part of the teaching:

They will have to pay their debt to justice; they will suffer for their sins; and may tread a thorny path; but if it leads them at last, like the penitent Prodigal, to a loving and forgiving father’s heart and home, the painful experience will not have been in vain. Pray for your careless and disobedient children; hold on to them with your faith. Hope on, trust on, till you see the salvation of God.”

Taking this in light of D&C 19 it is clear that the wayward child will suffer intensely for their sins, repent then be admitted by the sealing power, into a celestial glory. This parlays quite well into LDS doctrine.

And it is sad indeed that he seeks to mock those sincere parents who may mourn, right or wrong, over a wayward child. Sad indeed.

[_Inconceivable]

Inc in is irrational hatred of all things LDS once again takes a cheap shot. He also ignores this part of the teaching:

They will have to pay their debt to justice; they will suffer for their sins; and may tread a thorny path; but if it leads them at last, like the penitent Prodigal, to a loving and forgiving father’s heart and home, the painful experience will not have been in vain. Pray for your careless and disobedient children; hold on to them with your faith. Hope on, trust on, till you see the salvation of God.”

Taking this in light of D&C 19 it is clear that the wayward child will suffer intensely for their sins, repent then be admitted by the sealing power, into a celestial glory. This parlays quite well into LDS doctrine.

And it is sad indeed that he seeks to mock those sincere parents who may mourn, right or wrong, over a wayward child. Sad indeed.

Jason,

I don't always understand your angle. Your quote is from my first post.

So the righteous will hunt me down (because I'd rather avoid zealots), force me to pay for my sins (because I have no intention to do so on my own), and then kick me into the Mormon Celestial kingdom (with a family I don't want to spend eternity with).

I'm not a wayward child. I simply choose not to believe in the fiction called Mormonism.

The quote was made by the founder of Mormonism BECAUSE Mormonism DOES NOT WORK with all the other charitable keys of persuasion. Ultimately it is a religeon of fear, conditional love and force to all those that would choose to reject it.

[_Inconceivable]

Inc in is irrational hatred of all things unique to the LDS religeon once again takes a cheap shot..(in other words, points out another rediculous Mormon doctrine)

(My correction in green for a little clarity and to make your attack a little less personal)

Jason, the use of the word all is a little sensational without a little clarification. I would disagree with the use of the term irrational as well.

Perhaps we ought to start a thread listing the very few doctrines that are actually unique only to Mormonism. Keep in mind, virtue, fidelity, wow, charity, honesty, Jesus, love, family, afterlife etc etc etc are NOT unique to Mormonism. They don't get any credit for these.

[_zytines]

Taking this in light of D&C 19 it is clear that the wayward child will suffer intensely for their sins, repent then be admitted by the sealing power, into a celestial glory. This parlays quite well into LDS doctrine.

Would you mind explaining how this parlays into LDS doctrine? I don't disagree (completely), I'm just looking for clarification.

[_RockSlider]

The following interpretation is also common:

"The day of this life..." goes from the day one's of birth to the day of one's resurrection (not the day of their mortal death)

Otherwise any ordinance work done for the dead would be meaningless