How much damage would this do?

[_maklelan]

What does this mean? It means that what you see from the outside are many busy bees gathering honey for the sum of the whole. MP's, SP's Bishops get no real monetary compensation for their services.

Well, the reason I made my comments were because Ajax asked a question about how much his Mission President made.

Although I don't have exact figures, since my in-laws served in that capacity, I have a fairly good idea of how Church funds were allocated to them, and for what purposes....all of which I have no problem contributing tithing to help support.

When I was a financial secretary in my mission I was in charge of approving my mission president's reimbursements, so I was given a list from the church of what the mission president was covered for and what he had to pay for on his own. The general guideline was living expenses were entirely his responsibility, and anything directly related to his performing his duties as mission president was reimbursable.

I also became good friends with my mission president (he sealed my wife and me), who worked over tithing for 5 years and over church welfare for 10 (he's also a close relative of Elder Holland). He spent the six months I was financiero filling me in on church finances and how they operated. He said he thought I would be working in it someday, so I should get acquainted with it. This is what prompted Merc to claim I was having sex with my mission president, and this is why I know what the stipends look like.

[_Inconceivable]

What does this mean? It means that what you see from the outside are many busy bees gathering honey for the sum of the whole. MP's, SP's Bishops get no real monetary compensation for their services.

Well, the reason I made my comments were because Ajax asked a question about how much his Mission President made.

Hi Liz,

MP's, SP's, Bishops, full time missionaries or any other Mormon eclesiastical leader don't make a dime from their service. I think we are in agreement here.

You will not see priestcraft in the Mormon church - it's forbidden for the most part. Accusations to the contrary are pretty much baseless in my opinion.

[_Inconceivable]

My tithing was not allocated to buy a wheelchair. I wouldn't be posting if if had been - and you have no proof that it was - because the books are closed. No proof at all.

I'll not participate in this discussion if you're simply going to tell me what I am and am not allowed to now about where the money comes from. Good day.

Cut and run or engage. Whatever. Everyone knows I've got no authority to mandate here.

I'm trying to figure out how a guy that did six months of book keeping for the Mormon church and was promised a high end accounting job by a relative of a GA makes one knowledgable (or even credible) on the subject.

What do you know about the church's corporations and other for profit businesses? Who controls their holdings (ie. the CEOs/officers placed there by Corporation of the President)? What are these companies writeoffs? Also, who wins church contracts - the lower bidders or the company with the GA's brother as a board member? Is it the same contractor on all the big jobs (or are there a lot of brothers)? Unless you're an accountant in these businesses you are yet aware of the business the church is in.

How can anyone justify the church's purchase of deslolate wasteland from Ira Fulton at more than it's market value? Something stinks in Denmark.

If one of my tithing dollars went to feed a starving family, buy a quad's wheelchair or a community well in Ethiopia - God bless the allocators. But we both know this is not the primary purpose of tithing.

The books are closed to the scrutiny of it's donors. If there is a just and merciful God he will open them. I guess we'll see who fits through the eye of the needle on that day.

[_maklelan]

I'm trying to figure out how a guy that did six months of book keeping for the Mormon church and was promised a high end accounting job by a relative of a GA makes one knowledgable (or even credible) on the subject.

Please point out where I said I was "promised a high end accounting job" or correct this intentional misrepresentation. I don't take kindly to people lying about what I've said.

[_Yoda]

Hi Liz,

MP's, SP's, Bishops, full time missionaries or any other Mormon eclesiastical leader don't make a dime from their service. I think we are in agreement here.

Well, let me clue you in on something else.

My husband's uncle is an apostle. He did quite well for himself in the financial world as an Engineer. The Church does NOT pay him for his service. They do cover his travel expenses, but that is about it. He owns his home in Salt Lake, where he has lived for years. To be honest, I'm not even sure if they cover his medical, because he retired with a pretty decent medical plan.

Basically, the Church pays for GA's needs on an "as needed" basis. If they are able to handle their own finances, and make their Church service their top priority than the Church doesn't intervene.

Basically, the Church tries to make it easy for the GA's to keep their Church service as their top priority, without having the burden of worrying about extensive financial obligations in the process.

If they have sufficient means to handle their own expenses, they do so. If they need some help, then, yes, the Church steps in and helps them.

Again, as a tithing payer, I have no problem with this.

[_maklelan]

Hi Liz,

MP's, SP's, Bishops, full time missionaries or any other Mormon eclesiastical leader don't make a dime from their service. I think we are in agreement here.

Well, let me clue you in on something else.

My husband's uncle is an apostle. He did quite well for himself in the financial world as an Engineer. The Church does NOT pay him for his service. They do cover his travel expenses, but that is about it. He owns his home in Salt Lake, where he has lived for years. To be honest, I'm not even sure if they cover his medical, because he retired with a pretty decent medical plan.

Basically, the Church pays for GA's needs on an "as needed" basis. If they are able to handle their own finances, and make their Church service their top priority than the Church doesn't intervene.

Basically, the Church tries to make it easy for the GA's to keep their Church service as their top priority, without having the burden of worrying about extensive financial obligations in the process.

If they have sufficient means to handle their own expenses, they do so. If they need some help, then, yes, the Church steps in and helps them.

Again, as a tithing payer, I have no problem with this.

Thanks for a little clarification, and I love the sig.

[_Inconceivable]

I'm trying to figure out how a guy that did six months of book keeping for the Mormon church and was promised a high end accounting job by a relative of a GA makes one knowledgable (or even credible) on the subject.

Please point out where I said I was "promised a high end accounting job" or correct this intentional misrepresentation. I don't take kindly to people lying about what I've said.

He said he thought I would be working in it someday, so I should get acquainted with it.
-Maklelan

Look Mak,

An MP that is schooling you in Mormon accounting that's well connected that say's he thinks "you'll be working in it someday" is offering you a job!!!

If you didn't take it, hopefully, it means you got a better one.

I still don't think the limited extent of your experience demonstrates you have knowledge or the credibility to speak for the books I'm referring to.

I'm a nobody. Lighten up.

[_Inconceivable]

Liz,

(insert screaming inc.)

I have no argument with you.

I agree 100% with you (!!!!!)

no problem.

Whatsoever.

Got the clue.

Got no beef with what the church has done for your husband's relative even if he is an apostle.

Yesssssssss.

I know.

by the way, you should read my posts. I think you'd like them very much. (smiley here).

I'll edit here: perhaps not all apostles know the business of the church, but someone is running the show. I just don't think it's Jesus. When he returns he'll probably visit Haiti in person. I doubt temple square will even know he arrived.

[_Yoda]

Thanks for a little clarification, and I love the sig.

Thanks! I thought you might!

Love yours, too, by the way.

(insert screaming inc.)

I have no argument with you.

I agree 100% with you (!!!!!)

Sorry...wasn't really trying to insinuate that you were arguing with me. Sorry if it came across that way. Sometimes, I wish we could read voice inflections. LOL

The only reason I really used your quote as a reference was that I wanted to clarify for those who might be reading that didn't know (like Ajax, who posed some of these questions in the first place), what my background was, and how I knew what I knew. I have no argument with you, either.

[_maklelan]

Lighten up.

Don't lie about me, and don't treat me like I have trouble with the concept of walking erect. You know you just weren't thinking when you read what I wrote but don't have the stones to admit you were wrong after I pointed out the misrepresentation. You're no better than Scratch in that regard, and for that reason you'll be ignored.