Gazelam wrote:Im going to read up on the Hyrum Andrus thing. I think hes the one that was behind the letter by McConkie that I have seen so much talk about.
What letter do you refer to here?
I don't think I'd ever heard Hyrum talk about evolution. His focus was typically the restored priesthood and all things Joseph Smith. The type of body that Adam had in the garden topic also has nothing to do with evolution.
I scanned the link you gave, I don't understand the connection here?
Gazelam wrote:Im going to read up on the Hyrum Andrus thing. I think hes the one that was behind the letter by McConkie that I have seen so much talk about.
What letter do you refer to here?
I don't think I'd ever heard Hyrum talk about evolution. His focus was typically the restored priesthood and all things Joseph Smith. The type of body that Adam had in the garden topic also has nothing to do with evolution.
I scanned the link you gave, I don't understand the connection here?
I was thinking of McConkies letter to Eugene England apparently. which can be read here: Link
The link I posted in the earlier post concerned BH Roberts and his feud with Joseph Fielding Smith. I was aware that brother Roberts had a bit of controversy around him, but I never really realized it reached that far. This does not diminish him in my eyes though, since aside form this issue, he is a sound teacher. A bit like Brigham Young I suppose. All men are gifted in some ways, and some come up short in a few areas.
I am apparently woefully unaware of any controversy surrounding Hyrum Andrus, and I would appreciate any links you could supply that might educate me further.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
Gazelam wrote:I am apparently woefully unaware of any controversy surrounding Hyrum Andrus, and I would appreciate any links you could supply that might educate me further.
I don't think you will find any link about Hyrum Andrus. Hyrum loved the Gospel and loved the Temple. Even after incredible personal lose, (job at BYU and not being able to do what he loved .... teach) Hyrum would not jeopardize his membership and he silently went his way and shut-up. And if you known anything about HA you know something really stinks about this deal.
Anything I have said about HA is based on first hand, one-on one discussions with him, between veils at the Timpanogos Temple.
I assume Dr. Petersen has knowledge/ties to BYU and should be able to verify his lose of job over public discourses on touching teachings.
RockSlider wrote:I don't think you will find any link about Hyrum Andrus. Hyrum loved the Gospel and loved the Temple. Even after incredible personal lose, (job at BYU and not being able to do what he loved .... teach) Hyrum would not jeopardize his membership and he silently went his way and shut-up. And if you known anything about HA you know something really stinks about this deal.
Anything I have said about HA is based on first hand, one-on one discussions with him, between veils at the Timpanogos Temple.
I assume Dr. Petersen has knowledge/ties to BYU and should be able to verify his lose of job over public discourses on touching teachings.
What are "touching teachings"?
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
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That you were impressed that ideas used by Joseph Smith were found in the Lost Books jumped out at me. I felt the need to comment on this since Joseph Smith's knowledge of the Lost Books (love them, by the way, but they were never really lost. Unpopular is a closer description.) isn't at all surprising. The books were the same ones, used by the Knights Templar, who Freemasons (incorrectly) claim were their predecessors. Since Joseph Smith was an avid reader, and a Freemason, it's not surprising that the ideas from the Lost Books would show up in the Book of Mormon.
That you were impressed that ideas used by Joseph Smith were found in the Lost Books jumped out at me. I felt the need to comment on this since Joseph Smith's knowledge of the Lost Books (love them, by the way, but they were never really lost. Unpopular is a closer description.) isn't at all surprising. The books were the same ones, used by the Knights Templar, who Freemasons (incorrectly) claim were their predecessors. Since Joseph Smith was an avid reader, and a Freemason, it's not surprising that the ideas from the Lost Books would show up in the Book of Mormon.
Still, they are a great read, that's for sure.
I take it you aren't a member of the "ancient history" camp?
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
That you were impressed that ideas used by Joseph Smith were found in the Lost Books jumped out at me. I felt the need to comment on this since Joseph Smith's knowledge of the Lost Books (love them, by the way, but they were never really lost. Unpopular is a closer description.) isn't at all surprising. The books were the same ones, used by the Knights Templar, who Freemasons (incorrectly) claim were their predecessors. Since Joseph Smith was an avid reader, and a Freemason, it's not surprising that the ideas from the Lost Books would show up in the Book of Mormon.
Still, they are a great read, that's for sure.
I take it you aren't a member of the "ancient history" camp?
Not sure what you mean. I love ancient history, so long as it is translated correctly.
I meant touchy i.e. Adam God in the context of this thread