Jason Bourne wrote:Does anyone know why women still have to veil their faces at a certain point? I always found that a bit odd and wondered what the point was.
Gaz provided a detailed reason in this thread here:
Jason Bourne wrote:Does anyone know why women still have to veil their faces at a certain point? I always found that a bit odd and wondered what the point was.
Hi, Jason.
I don't claim to have the skinny on every nuance of the temple endowment, and I have taken vows not to talk in detail about what goes on there; but I think it would be okay for me to say that, in my opinion only, a woman veils her face in preparation for what occurs immediately afterward.
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P.S. to Dog-Scheist--Why would a practicing Mason like Brigham Young want to identify Lucifer as a Master Mason?
You prove yourself of the devil and anti-mormon every word you utter, because only the devil perverts facts to make their case.--ldsfaqs (6-24-13)
Without disclosing details, Temple work is an important part of the saving ordinances of the LDS Church.
From the Wikipedia:
1. Baptism
2. Confirmation and reception of the Gift of the Holy Ghost
3. Ordination to the Aaronic and Melchizedek priesthoods
4. Endowment (including washing and anointing) (must be baptized and confirmed; males must hold Melchizedek priesthood) *
5. Marriage and sealing to a spouse (legal marriageable age; must have received Endowment) *
6. Sealing to parents (no minimum age; no pre-existing ordinance requirements) *
7. Ritual of the Law of Adoption, whereby men are sealed to other men. This ordinance is no longer practiced in the mainstream LDS church. *
8. Second anointing: an ordinance performed by a sealed couple, sealing them up to eternal life, and anointing them as kings and queens, priests, and priestesses. The ordinance was originally taught as a requirement for salvation. The LDS Church, however, has largely (but not entirely) discontinued the ordinance, and it is not routinely performed by proxy. *
Jason Bourne wrote:Does anyone know why women still have to veil their faces at a certain point? I always found that a bit odd and wondered what the point was.
Women being required to veil their faces in the temple is deep down at the bottom of the totem pole of my concerns regarding the things the church teaches about women.
"It seems to me that these women were the head (κεφάλαιον) of the church which was at Philippi." ~ John Chrysostom, Homilies on Philippians 13
bcspace wrote:I wish we would start using the word esoteric to describe the temple ceremonies. It conveys so much more information than merely sacred.
I agree, esoteric captures the exact meaning of how we view the temple ordinances. They aren't secret, anyone can participate in them if they really want to, by preparing themselves.
zzyzx wrote:If nothing else tell folks about the get up they will be wearing in the Temple. For those who can read, point them to the whole thing on the Internet.
Would make a big difference if folks really had an idea of reality before making a commitment enforced by the fear of shame/outing by 'those who love them'/
Tell the women they aren't good enough to face God unveiled. Had I known that 38 years ago, my life would be a lot different now.
It's true some women are manipulative b*****s (no offence to any women, it's generally true), even I feel the pull sometimes. We are complex and constantly thinking of how to get what we want :P
bcspace wrote:I wish we would start using the word esoteric to describe the temple ceremonies. It conveys so much more information than merely sacred.
The washing and annointing part of the Temple Ceremony was decidedly weird in my experience. I went through in the late 1980's and some old guy almost touching my manhood and dribbling olive oil onto it is damn perverted. If you wish to call it 'esoteric' fine but for me it was weirdly esoteric or esoterically weird. I accept that all secret societies have secret rituals, but I don't know of any other so called Christian sect that wants to bless its members genitals by almost touching them. It freaked my wife out too. I wonder if they changed it in 1990 because it upset some folk or because people were shocked and spoke out in public about it?
We shall not cease from exploration and the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time. T.S.Eliot
"Sometime before the 1950s, Lucifer's apron was changed to a all-purple one with no markings."
When I first went through in the 1960's it was black with symbols on it. It was not a masonic apron. Some of the symbols were of the worlds religions. I want to see that one again so I can see what the others were.
Yes, the Temple Ceremony is supposed to have been Revealed/Restored from diety to Joseph. Why was something that is revealed from Diety changed by the jokers in Salt Lake? Something as asinine as an Oath of Vengance(sp?) against the US added to the Temple ceremony by Brigham Young. What a farce. Then recent changes removing parts of the ceremony. So much for 'restored'. And then we have the dinosaurs painted on the walls in the world room. What part of LDS Theology and Truth is that?
Wierd is too benign.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you do criticize them you'll be a mile away and you'll have their shoes.
