2nd Watson Letter just found!'

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KimberlyAnn wrote:
Dr. Shades wrote:This has been a Christmas Gift beyond compare.



I dunno. It's not better than the Schweddy Balls* given me by the Latin dance instructor who teaches me the merengue on Friday nights.

Mmm. Coconut.

KA

*SNL skit. Not suitable for children.


KimberlyAnn,

Schweddy Balls is one of the greatest SNL skits. They keep that one schtick going so long in that skit, it's the comedic equivalent of an opera singer extending and extending and extending that one great, high note until the listener can take no more. It's too bad those at the MAD House could not appreciate it by watching it in groups without each trying to be the first to appear disgusted.
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Dr. Shades wrote:I also give thanks to Brent Metcalfe for identifying the fount from which this blessing flowed.

Checkmate.

Game, set, and match.

Goodbye, 2nd Watson Letter. It's been nice knowing you.

Agreed. Brent exposed DCP and Hamblin for what they are when it comes to the so-called 2nd Watson letter: liars.
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Rollo Tomasi wrote:Agreed. Brent exposed DCP and Hamblin for what they are when it comes to the so-called 2nd Watson letter: liars.


It's always hard to defend yourself, when your pants are down around your ankles (figuretively or literally).
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Nimrod wrote:Schweddy Balls is one of the greatest SNL skits. They keep that one schtick going so long in that skit, it's the comedic equivalent of an opera singer extending and extending and extending that one great, high note until the listener can take no more. It's too bad those at the MAD House could not appreciate it by watching it in groups without each trying to be the first to appear disgusted.



Yes, Schweddy Balls is the wonderful result of a schtick that just keeps going. I'm a fan, myself, though I can see why some folks might not be. It's a matter of taste, I suppose.

I'll spare everyone my continuing schtick, however, and end this derail right now. /derail.

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KimberlyAnn wrote:It's a matter of taste, I suppose.


Yikes, KimberlyAnn, that is a wickedly funny pun, intentional or not.
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:::sniff, sniff:::

Why, this has almost turned into a testimony meeting.

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in the name of Brent Metcalfe, amen."
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Nimrod wrote:
KimberlyAnn wrote:It's a matter of taste, I suppose.


Yikes, KimberlyAnn, that is a wickedly funny pun, intentional or not.


It was quite intentional, Nimrod. Thanks.

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beastie wrote::::sniff, sniff:::

Why, this has almost turned into a testimony meeting.

"I would be ungrateful if I didn't stand this day and express my gratitude towards not only Greg Smith, but the Keystone Cops in general for this magnificent Christmas gift...

in the name of Brent Metcalfe, amen."


Stay tuned, beastie. Brent promises there is more to come. Encouragement might be, in part, why some of us have drawn on our past skill set to express gratitude to him (and Greg Smith).
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Yeah, I hope that Brent presents whatever information he's holding back. I have a feeling that we haven't quite gotten to the bottom of this story. One of the questions that no one has asked DCP yet was whether or not he was aware of the passage in The Encyclopedia of Mormonism prior to the Watson Letter/Ogden Fax. I.e., are we supposed to believe that the folks at the FP's office stumbled upon the FARMS-penned EoM entry on their own, and then sent it over, pretending as if it was an original statement from Watson? Or, instead, did Hamblin or Hall tell the FP that they should look up the information on the Encyclopedia?

Certainly, the people at FARMS (including DCP, as editor) were in contact with the Encyclopedia just prior to (or right around) the issuing of the Ogden Fax. Interestingly, it was John Gee who reviewed The Encyclopedia of Mormonism for FARMS back in 1993. Was Gee among those who received copies of the Ogden Fax, I wonder? Regardless, this bit, from his FROB article, struck me:

John Gee wrote:Superficiality is a hallmark of encyclopedias and this one is no exception. The authors were specifically advised not to break new ground, so those looking to hear something new will likely be disappointed.


And this:

John Gee wrote:Several of the articles deal directly or indirectly with the Book of Mormon. Many of these are important condensations of facets of the Book of Mormon that many people (especially anti-Mormons and others who have never taken the time to study the work) should carefully consider. John Clark's "Book of Mormon Geography" (pp. 1:176-79) and John Sorenson's "Book of Mormon Peoples" (pp. 1:191-95) are particularly insightful.
(emphasis added)

Increasingly, I think there *is* evidence that FARMS force-fed Watson into making the statement (or committing the plagiarism, as it were). Certainly, it seems that Gee viewed the Encyclopedia as a potential weapon to be used against "anti-Mormons." And if Gee realized this, one has to assume that DCP---and by extension Hamblin---realized it, too.

Edited to add: I'm willing to bet that the also-missing Hamblin Letter advised Watson to look up the entry on Cumorah in The Encyclopedia of Mormonism. That's how FARMS got the letter/fax, and that would explain the plagiarism.
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