Map of the Comoros Islands, circa 1812

[_LCD2YOU]

Hello all,

Long time, had other things to do.

I remember Dr. Shades posting a link to a map of the Comoros Islands off of the east coast of Africa, just NW of Madagascar. For those of you who want to know and are suspect of the name Comoros and how close it is to Cumorah, well, there's a Moroni in both of them.

The Comoros Islands' capitol city is Moroni. This map was available back in 1812 or close to it. It seems like one Joseph Smith Sr. lost a consignment at those Islands. As Joseph Smith Sr. was a merchant, he had access to maps. I'm sure a young and impressionable Joe Jr. found his imaginative juices flowing.

Could someone repost that link?

[_Dr. Shades]

[_LCD2YOU]

Thank you sir(?). Pretty Avatar.

Where's that link, if you don't mind.

Thanks again.

[_Dr. Shades]

Thank you sir(?).

You're welcome. And yes, I'm a "sir."

Pretty Avatar.

Thanks again. That's Yasuko Sawaguchi, Japanese actress, model, and singer extraordinaire. I have a few more pictures of her posted HERE.

Where's that link, if you don't mind.

http://www.2think.org/hundredsheep/bom1 ... nges.shtml

[_maklelan]

Hello all,

Long time, had other things to do.

I remember Dr. Shades posting a link to a map of the Comoros Islands off of the east coast of Africa, just NW of Madagascar. For those of you who want to know and are suspect of the name Comoros and how close it is to Cumorah, well, there's a Moroni in both of them.

Ironically, it's also a Hebrew word for priesthood.

The Comoros Islands' capitol city is Moroni.

Yup, ever since 1876.

This map was available back in 1812 or close to it. It seems like one Joseph Smith Sr. lost a consignment at those Islands. As Joseph Smith Sr. was a merchant, he had access to maps.

Really? Can you provide documentation for this? I've never heard of this. Here's what the two accounts of Smith's investment in ginseng had to say. From Lucy Mack Smith:

Mr Smith then went immediately to the City of New York and made arrangements to send his Gin sang to China on board a vessel that <was> had about to set sail

Mr Stevens being rather vexed at his failure sent his son to China on the same ship who when he arrived in china sold the Gin sang which my husband sent and took possesion of the [ ] avails and returned to R Tunbridge

From Coray/Pratt:

My husband, in a short time, went to the city of New York, with the view of shipping his gensang, and finding a vessel in port which was soon to set sail, he made arrangements with the captain to this effect— that he was to sell the gensang in China, and return the avails thereof to my husband; and this the captain bound himself to do, in a written obligation.

Mr Stevens, hearing that Mr. Smith was making arrangements to ship his gensang, repaired immediately to New York, and, by taking some pains, he ascertained the vessel on board of which Mr. Smith had shipped his gensang; and having some of the same article on hand himself, he made arrangements with the captain to take his also, and he was to send his son on board the ves sel to take charge of it.

It appears, from circumstances that afterwards transpired, that the gensang was taken to China, and sold there to good advantage, or at a high price, but not to much advantage to us, for we never received any thing, except a small chest of tea, of the avails arising from this adventure.

When the vessel returned, Stevens the younger also returned with it, and when my husband became apprized of his arrival, he went immediately to him and made inquiry respecting the success of the captain in selling his gensang. Mr. Stevens told him quite a plausible tale, the particulars of which I have forgotten; but the amount of it was, that the sale had been a perfect failure, and the only thing which had been brought for Mr. Smith from China was a small chest of tea, which chest had been delivered into his care, for my husband.

Nothing about a shipwreck. Where did you get your information?

I'm sure a young and impressionable Joe Jr. found his imaginative juices flowing.

I wonder if this shipwreck story isn't also the result of imaginative juices.

[_maklelan]

No correction for the misleading information provided in the OP? Surely you're aware that Moroni wasn't the capital city until the late 19th century and that there was no shipwreck on that island associated with Joseph Smith, Sr. If the church is required to proactively highlight what others perceive as flaws in order to slake the cynicism of critics, why are the critics themselves exempt?

[_moksha]

Ironically, it's also a Hebrew word for priesthood.

The Comoros Islands' capitol city is Moroni.

Yup, ever since 1876.

The 1876 incorporation date most likely utilized the place name it already had. For instance, Salt Lake City was called Salt Lake City before the charter of incorporation. Perhaps they based this on the Hebrew name for priesthood, if that word was indeed Moroni. If not, perhaps it was from foreordination or patriarchal blessing regarding the Sha Na Na song, Boney Moroni - who as we know, is a girl "as skinny as macaroni".

Hope that helps.

[_Dr. Shades]

No correction for the misleading information provided in the OP?

What misleading information provided in the OP?

Surely you're aware that Moroni wasn't the capital city until the late 19th century. . .

Yes. The OP never claimed it was the capital city in Joseph Smith's time.

. . . and that there was no shipwreck on that island associated with Joseph Smith, Sr.

Right. The OP never claimed there was a shipwreck on that island associated with Joseph Smith, Sr.

What, exactly, am I supposed to correct, again?

[_maklelan]

The 1876 incorporation date most likely utilized the place name it already had. For instance, Salt Lake City was called Salt Lake City before the charter of incorporation.

Still wasn't the capitol, which is why it doesn't appear on any maps that would have been available to Joseph Smith, and why it's silly to insist it would have been a well-known toponym.

Perhaps they based this on the Hebrew name for priesthood, if that word was indeed Moroni.

Cumorah is the Hebrew word for priesthood. It's actually the Deuteronomist's word for a non-Levitical priest and the modern Hebrew word for Catholic priest.

If not, perhaps it was from foreordination or patriarchal blessing regarding the Sha Na Na song, Boney Moroni - who as we know, is a girl "as skinny as macaroni".

Hope that helps.

A little bit of patronizing doesn't actually help that much in evading inconvenient facts.

[_maklelan]

What misleading information provided in the OP?

The information that I pointed out as incorrect. Don't play stupid, Scratch.

Yes. The OP never claimed it was the capital city in Joseph Smith's time.

You know as well as everyone else who read the post that the OP thought it was the capital during Smith's lifetime, which is the only way the city might be known outside of Africa. Again, don't play stupid.

Right. The OP never claimed there was a shipwreck on that island associated with Joseph Smith, Sr.

The OP referenced a notion that is discussed here that his shipment of ginseng was shipwrecked on the island of Comoros:

http://www.exmormon.org/Mormon/mormon330.htm

What, exactly, am I supposed to correct, again?

Exactly what I pointed out. I thought only Mormons were supposed to use dishonesty to defend their dogmatism. Way to shatter that stereotype.