Help ! Have I sinned ?

[_Doctor Scratch]

If you are LDS, you're going to need to report what happened to the Bishop and you're going to have to repent. You absolutely sinned. The Brethren have expressly forbidden "heavy petting," whatever that means, though I suspect that your situation counts. Then again, the Brethren have been wrong before, on a variety of things, so I guess the Church's teachings on premarital "relations" can be discounted as false doctrine.

[_The Nehor]

Troll.

[_Paul Osborne]

Troll.

I wouldn't be so sure of that, The Nehor. It might be a real person with a real question based on real experiences. Don't be so hasty to judge.

Now, what would President Spencer W. Kimball have to say about a girl in the lap? It makes me feel ill to start thinking about all the things he would likely say about this behavior. You see, if you aren't doing things his way bases on his own values it is sin. By what authority does he impose this on the world? Oh, he's a prophet, I forgot. So also did Mark Hoffman who sold the pretended prophet a bill of goods.

Mark Hoffman was a prophet buster.

Paul O

[_The Nehor]

I wouldn't be so sure of that, The Nehor. It might be a real person with a real question based on real experiences. Don't be so hasty to judge.

I'm sure. I can accept that you're gullible enough to believe that a practicing LDS member seeking advice regarding a possible sin would come to the internet and then choose a board filled with apostates and critics devoted to apologetics to seek aid. I, however, am not that gullible.

[_Paul Osborne]

I'm sure. I can accept that you're gullible enough to believe that a practicing LDS member seeking advice regarding a possible sin would come to the internet and then choose a board filled with apostates and critics devoted to apologetics to seek aid. I, however, am not that gullible.

Fair enough, The Nehor. This board is filled with all kinds of lovely people. Perhaps you'd like to come down to the telestial board and commit some sins with me? We can commit blasphemy if you want to. The girl in the lap is just a start.

Paul O

[_Hoops]

Want an alleged fundamentalist Christian's point of view?

Of course not. For anyone to tell you otherwise is silly.

[_Hoops]

And, next time you have a story like that, I expect a reference. Preferably with you chopped out of it. Just the girl in the bikini, please.

[_Darth J]

You know, if you're going to hot tub with a girl in a bikini, I don't see the difference between that and having her just be in her bra and panties.

And that's exactly how I justified it to myself at the time.

[_Spider-to-the-Fly]

Mr Rand-y,

Seems you were the fly and the lovely young lady that perched on your lap in the hottub the spider. Time for you to man up, as Rambo and Dr. Shades have suggested. Become the spider. Call her on the tele and ask her to dinner.

It seems you Mormons have lots of fun in hottubs, and lots of guilt afterwards.

Top of the morning to you.

[_ajax18]

If you're going to BYU, absolutely do not tell the bishop if it's the one I had. He considered French kissing a sin and would withhold the sacrament, ecclesiastical endorsement etc. Then there were other bishops who just asked two students guilty of fornication (not just Bill Clinton sex) say a prayer and repent. That was it, no sacrament deal, no endless set of interviews, no excommunication, no disfellowship. Each bishop kind of makes up his own rules on that stuff. Of course we can't know how closely they follow the general handbook of instructions because that is secret. Asking an authority how far you can go without talking to a bishop generates a knee jerk defensive posture for most TBM leadership and a personal character attack follows. No lines are drawn because each bishop makes them up himself for the most part. Perhaps the stake president influences it some in a trickle down manner etc., but it's hard to tell for sure because it's not information that is made privy to nonleadership.

If you're going into the MTC, perhaps you need to talk to bishop. The reason being that the MTC can lay a guilt trip on a man like no other. More than a few of my acquaintances had huge guilt complexes there and they really had nothing severe enough to make the guilt anywhere close to appropriate. It's just the nature of the entire mission. Often times they would have meetings where they tried figure out who the unconfessed sinner was that was stopping people from getting baptized. It's illogical and similar to the pre enligtenment mindset of the Catholic Church clergy. But in my experience it was very pervasive in that environment.

If you're neither of the above, just don't tell anyone about it. And don't let any potentially jealous girls iwth Church connections see you doing that for sure. I did similar things before I was married, talked to bishops sometimes, learned to stop talking to them as I got older. Then I got married finally and the sexual repression nightmare was finally over. I feel for you. Premarital life could be so fun, but in Mormonism it was a cross to bear, at least speaking from a man's perspective. I'm not saying that was necessarily all bad. I'm just saying better days are ahead.