Poker Is More Than Gambling

[_cinepro]

So why is it viewed as nothing more as gambling in the eyes of the church leaders? Sure, for someone who doesn't know what they're doing then it's definitely gambling. But for someone like a pro it's just like a sport. You know you'll lose a few because there is certainly luck involved, but you also know that you'll win most.

Don't confuse "games of chance" with "gambling".

Poker is verboten because of the wagering involved. And at higher (and riskier) levels of play, the large sums of money that can be won or lost. It also follows the tradition of the Church outlawing activities for which moderation can be appropriately applied, but for which some percentage of the population is susceptible to compulsion and irresponsible behavior.

To be totally clear, the Church should probably come out against gambling, wagering and betting. But I think it's pretty well understood what is being counseled against.

[_Paul Osborne]

No, I don't feel the same. Jesus is my savior. President Smith is not.

Than you accept Jesus and reject the one he sent? Isn't that kind of like accepting the Father and rejecting the Son? What do the Doctrine & Covenants have to say about rejecting the teachings and principles offered by prophets?

Disagree. No. The foolish are easily satisfied.

You're calling me foolish here on the celestial board? How about you just say, "Thou fool", and be done with it?

That's very big of you.

It's always interesting and intertaining to watch Mormons pretend to be true Christians.

Keep it up.

Paul O

[_Paul Osborne]

Strip poker is a good alternative, since you're not playing for money.

I'm afraid we can't do that on this forum because Dr. Shades forbids that kind of behavior.

Ante up. I raise you 5.

Paul O

[_The Nehor]

Than you accept Jesus and reject the one he sent? Isn't that kind of like accepting the Father and rejecting the Son? What do the Doctrine & Covenants have to say about rejecting the teachings and principles offered by prophets?

The premises for your conclusion are fatally flawed.

Disagree. No. The foolish are easily satisfied.

You're calling me foolish here on the celestial board? How about you just say, "Thou fool", and be done with it?

I made a general observation. That you would assume offense and apply it to yourself is telling. Perhaps some soul-searching is in order.

That's very big of you.

It's always interesting and intertaining to watch Mormons pretend to be true Christians.

Not as entertaining as watching sad little critics insult, attack, and denigrate the faith and then whine when saints take their example from Jesus cleansing the temple and insulting his detractors.

They want their enemies defanged with 'turning the other cheek' because their feeble and pathetic egos can't handle it.

[Guest]

Not as entertaining as watching sad little critics insult, attack, and denigrate the faith and then whine when saints take their example from Jesus cleansing the temple and insulting his detractors.

They want their enemies defanged with 'turning the other cheek' because their feeble and pathetic egos can't handle it.

"The faith" being the organization whose teachings you are constantly trying to find loopholes out of, and explaining why God has shown you that the teachings of its leaders are false.

And Jesus was not cleansing the temple of his detractors. He was cleansing it of people who had turned a place of worship into a house of merchandise.

Are you sure that's a door you want to open as a self-professed defender of the LDS Church and its practices?

[_Dr. Shades]

Not as entertaining as watching sad little critics insult, attack, and denigrate the faith and then whine when saints take their example from Jesus cleansing the temple and insulting his detractors.

Guess what? He's Jesus. He gets to do things that you don't get to do.

[_Paul Osborne]

Not as entertaining as watching sad little critics insult, attack, and denigrate the faith and then whine when saints take their example from Jesus cleansing the temple and insulting his detractors.

They want their enemies defanged with 'turning the other cheek' because their feeble and pathetic egos can't handle it.

You're no less sad than we are, The Nehor. Just look at you and the way YOU act. We little critics find considerable fault with Mormonism and are anxious to share this understanding with you and anyone who will listen.

There are a great many things about Mormonism that are simply repulsive -- to say nothing about polygamy and swearing blood oaths in the temples. Many of the darker facets of Mormonism are cloked in secrecy today and kept hidden from the members through the instrumentality of a First Presidency that forbids free speech and total honesty. It's a numbers game to them. Now, back to poker.

Ante up.

Paul O

[_The Nehor]

Not as entertaining as watching sad little critics insult, attack, and denigrate the faith and then whine when saints take their example from Jesus cleansing the temple and insulting his detractors.

Guess what? He's Jesus. He gets to do things that you don't get to do.

But I DO get to do them. I'm doing them right now. Until God tells me to stop I will continue to do so.

[_The Nehor]

You're no less sad than we are, The Nehor. Just look at you and the way YOU act. We little critics find considerable fault with Mormonism and are anxious to share this understanding with you and anyone who will listen.

By understanding I read 'paranoid ramblings'.

There are a great many things about Mormonism that are simply repulsive -- to say nothing about polygamy and swearing blood oaths in the temples.

Yeah, I don't like the green jello either.

Many of the darker facets of Mormonism are cloked in secrecy today and kept hidden from the members through the instrumentality of a First Presidency that forbids free speech and total honesty. It's a numbers game to them. Now, back to poker.

You mean all those secretive things I know about and can easily access through books? Our maskirovka is pathetic.....or it's in plain sight.

[_Paul Osborne]

By understanding I read 'paranoid ramblings'.

Me, paranoid? What on earth are you talking about? Just because I’m avidly willing to share my knowledge about Mormon falsehoods does not justify you in calling me paranoid. I think you are out of line.

Yeah, I don't like the green jello either.

I said nothing about green jello. I’m talking about Brigham Young’s harem and how this kind of activity is simply repulsive to members of the faith in our day. Indeed, Brigham’s activities were over the top, like Solomon the wise who took advantage.

Further, what has green jello to do with making secret blood oaths at a temple altar, cult-like practices of keeping secrets. Anything about spilling blood and guts? I fail to see the connection.

You mean all those secretive things I know about and can easily access through books? Our maskirovka is pathetic.....or it's in plain sight.

What books, The Nehor? Show me the books written by members of the First Presidency that talk about the authorized changes made to the secret rituals performed in Mormon temples?

Show me the books wherein the First Presidency has discussed the lifestyle of Brigham Young’s behavior in a harem and how early apostles refused to give it up but broke the laws of the land. Show me the books published by the First Presidency that talk about the name Shulem in Facsimile No. 3 and why the king’s name therein is not known.

You have some explaining to do, The Nehor. You aren’t making converts here.

Paul O