What is known about the pre-existence?

[_Called2Serve]

In the pre-mortal existence..........................

WRONG!

This is not how the story goes.

[_ajax18]

It shouldn't be how the story goes. I know Wisdom Seeker wrote some of that in jest, but I wouldn't put it past some people I've met on this planet to affirm what he's saying as being just and fair and not have a problem with it.

[_ajax18]

It shouldn't be how the story goes. I know Wisdom Seeker wrote some of that in jest, but I wouldn't put it past some people I've met on this planet to affirm what he's saying as being just and fair and not have a problem with it.

[_Wisdom Seeker]

It shouldn't be how the story goes. I know Wisdom Seeker wrote some of that in jest, but I wouldn't put it past some people I've met on this planet to affirm what he's saying as being just and fair and not have a problem with it.

I did write that in jest based upon how I felt that the original story has some major holes and the only reasonable way to fill those holes is to add Joseph Smith to the story. It actually makes the story more plausible.

[_Wisdom Seeker]

John Calvin, on the subject of pre-destination wrote, “We call predestination God’s eternal decree, by which he determined within himself what he willed to become of each man. … Eternal life is foreordained for some, eternal damnation for others. Therefore, as any man has been created to one or the other of these ends, we speak of him as predestined to life or to death.”

Bruce R. McConkie wrote, “the Lord foreordained chosen spirit children in pre-existence and assigned them to come to earth at particular times and places so that they might aid in furthering his divine will. These pre-existence appointments, made ‘according to the foreknowledge of God the Father’ (1 Pet. 1:2), simply designated certain individuals to perform missions which the Lord in his wisdom knew they had the talent and capacities to do.”

So the LDS church does not believe in pre-destination because it takes away free-agency, but the church does believe that God foreordained people to do special things for him when their time had arrived, is this not taking away their free-agency? Is this not appointing his favorites to come at some special time to perform some special task?

No matter how you slice it seems as if God has an opinion and there had to be a pre-judgment in the pre-existence to determine who God's favorites would be.

[_TAO]

No matter how you slice it seems as if God has an opinion and there had to be a pre-judgment in the pre-existence to determine who God's favorites would be.

Na, the point I was trying to get is that... God picked a balance point... he chose to give you what you needed, so you could come back to him if you chose... not enough to overwhelm you, but enough to test you =).

[_harmony]

No matter how you slice it seems as if God has an opinion and there had to be a pre-judgment in the pre-existence to determine who God's favorites would be.

And let us never forget... our Elder Brother, Jesus Christ, was God before he was born.

Now THAT's a favorite!

[_Roger Morrison]

Great question!

What is known about the pre-existance?
The short, honest answer:Nothing!

Of course their is much supposed, imagined, written about and past on as truth, fabricated, etc. about Mormonism's theory re "pre-existence" that, if taken as entertaining, or amusing, is rather harmless. But, to take "pre-existence" as factual and a God-Given-truth, can be harmful and misleading. . .
However, "Known about PRE-EXISTENCE" is more of a presumptuous statement by self engrandized persons taking on a mantel of leadership direction more appropriate to a cult, than to an organization of intelligent open-minded individuals. In cultism leaders and followers co-exist to the advantage of each other. . .

'PRE' is a prefix that can be applied to time, place, rank, etc. Generally to things that exist. . .
To apply 'pre' to non-existent matter(s) is taking literary license to the extreme.

But hey, wherever one feels comfortable is the place to be. Until discomfort ushers one to another place of comfort. . .

Moral is: enjoy who you are, where you are, who you are with, doing happy-making stuff.
Actually I think That is a Mormon tenet -- Man is that he might have joy. . .
See, there is truth in Mormonism. Unfortunately it gets muddled with the untruths.
As I see things,
Respectfully,
Roger M.

[_Wisdom Seeker]

I agree nothing is known about the pre-existence. The LDS belief concerning the pre-existence seems very flawed, someone turned their opinion into doctrine.

[_Roger Morrison]

I agree nothing is known about the pre-existence. The LDS belief concerning the pre-existence seems very flawed, someone turned their opinion into doctrine.

True.
Question remains: How long will it take to revise opinion-created doctrine into authenticated informative teachings, based on tried and proven "testing", consistent with the "law" of cause and effect? Roger M.