UFO: The Greatest Story Ever Denied.

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_Darth J
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Ray A wrote:
Darth J wrote:
Is this video the smoking gun proving that space aliens are here among us?

Do you always just take it as a foregone conclusion that those not of your faith have not looked at the tenets of your faith? Do you just take it as a given that I have never heard anything about UFO's before encountering you on this message board?

You insisted that I had not looked at the National Press Club fast and testimony meeting, but then when I commented on specific parts of that video, you started talking about how I am closed-minded or already made my mind up or some such. Did your response there foreshadow what is likely to be your reaction here?


Do you always judge video A by what you see in video B? Do you judge The Sound of Music by what you see Godspell?


Oh, so this is going to turn out to better than the fast and testimony meeting that you previously assigned to me as homework?
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Darth J wrote:Oh, so this is going to turn out to better than the fast and testimony meeting that you previously assigned to me as homework?


Your objectivity in these matters shines, Dark J.

It's amazing you didn't become an unbeliever when you were five.
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Ray A:

I'll view the video tonight and get back with you.
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Dr. Shades wrote:Ray A:

I'll view the video tonight and get back with you.


Okay, that sounds like a better option than the one being offered by you-know-who. In the meantime, I have to get ready for work, so I'll probably not read much until tomorrow.
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Darth,

There's actually some pretty thought provoking material on the video. As Ray mentioned, there is vastly more evidence linked to ufology than there ever was or will be for the Book of Mormon. The difference between Mormonism and ufology is that Mormonism costs you your life. Ufology doesn't require anything of you. If you're interested, it's there if you want to muse about it.
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Ray A wrote:
Darth J wrote:Oh, so this is going to turn out to better than the fast and testimony meeting that you previously assigned to me as homework?


Your objectivity in these matters shines, Dark J.

It's amazing you didn't become an unbeliever when you were five.


Now, Ray. When you say things like that, it invites comments about your gullibility that would be inappropriate for the Celestial Forum.

You are also burying the needle on the irony meter when you presuppose that I have never looked at purported UFO evidences, then insist that I already had my mind made up when my conclusion is that your previous video was a UFO fast and testimony meeting after I watched it.

Oh, by the way, your documentary is not quite accurate in the statement it attributes to Douglas MacArthur at about 5:07. Neither in his talking with the mayor of Naples, Italy, nor in addressing cadets at West Point did General MacArthur actually make an affirmative statement, as characterized in the video, that "the next war will be an interplanetary war." (Never mind that he would have been wrong, anyway, as there have been numerous wars since MacArthur's lifetime, and the only ones against alien invaders have been in movie theaters or on television.)

Nor did MacArthur give a speech at West Point in 1955 (the date indicated in your documentary).

In talking with Achille Lauro, the mayor of Naples, MacArthur speculated that someday, perhaps a thousand years from now, science and technology would develop to the point that our wars would be interplanetary.

And his speech at West Point, taken in context, makes it clear that he was talking about the potential of mankind, not some imminent alien threat (the knowledge of which we are meant to infer he had because he was a general in the U.S. army). This is what he really said:

We deal now, not with things of this world alone, but with the illimitable distances and as yet unfathomed mysteries of the universe. We are reaching out for a new and boundless frontier. We speak in strange terms of harnessing the cosmic energy, of making winds and tides work for us, of creating unheard of synthetic materials to supplement or even replace our old standard basics; to purify sea water for our drink; of mining ocean floors for new fields of wealth and food; of disease preventatives to expand life into the hundred of years; of controlling the weather for a more equitable distribution of heat and cold, of rain and shine; of spaceships to the moon; of the primary target in war, no longer limited to the armed forces of an enemy, but instead to include his civil populations; of ultimate conflict between a united human race and the sinister forces of some other planetary galaxy; of such dreams and fantasies as to make life the most exciting of all times.

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Inconceivable wrote:Darth,

There's actually some pretty thought provoking material on the video. As Ray mentioned, there is vastly more evidence linked to ufology than there ever was or will be for the Book of Mormon. The difference between Mormonism and ufology is that Mormonism costs you your life. Ufology doesn't require anything of you. If you're interested, it's there if you want to muse about it.


I guess we'll have to agree to disagree as to whether lots of bad evidence amounts to good evidence.
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Ray:

I haven't been able to get to sleep yet, but watching your UFO documentary is helping. I'm going to finish it tomorrow, but would you just clarify something for me:

At about 15:30, the narrator informs us that government employees went on radio and television to tell the "naïve, gullible, and patriotic American public" about UFO's.

But at about 3:30, a colonel (of what service branch and whether he is retired, we are not told) says that the government should release the putative information about space aliens to the young people and the people of this country (the United States) because people "want to hear it" and that "they're not stupid."

So which is it? Are the people of the United States naïve, and gullible, and inclined to believe whatever they are spoon-fed from the government because they are patriotic? Or do they want the truth and are not stupid?

Or do the producers of your documentary intend for us to conclude that people who are not persuaded by the ufologist narrative are "naïve and gullible," whereas those who do believe in space aliens being here-and-now are the ones who want the truth and are not stupid?
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Darth J wrote:
Inconceivable wrote:Darth,

There's actually some pretty thought provoking material on the video. As Ray mentioned, there is vastly more evidence linked to ufology than there ever was or will be for the Book of Mormon. The difference between Mormonism and ufology is that Mormonism costs you your life. Ufology doesn't require anything of you. If you're interested, it's there if you want to muse about it.


I guess we'll have to agree to disagree as to whether lots of bad evidence amounts to good evidence.

But I would agree with you there. The same problem exists within Mormonism (and other religeons). Faith promoting rumors and speculation isn't what a person ought to base their life's work upon (enter Daniel Peterson and even myself up to a few years ago). Sometimes we want something so badly that we're not willing to see the obvious fatal flaws.

The Discovery Channel did a bit on the Rods. They demonstrated that in the cases they challenged, it had more to do with the settings on the camera.
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