UFO: The Greatest Story Ever Denied.

[_Ray A]

And it's even more surprising that there is such a thing as intelligence information not accessible to a sitting U.S. president.

Anything that doesn't fit your worldview would surprise you. Oh no, the CIA could never, ever withhold something from a US president. Just doesn't happen, says Dark J, a suburban lawyer who knows exactly how the CIA works, and doesn't work. He will never even consider that the CIA could do something so unseemly.

[_Ray A]

4. You want me to follow up on my ad hoc speculation about something I don't know about with charts and graphs and increasingly sophisticated wild guesses.

You are a lawyer who works in real courts? (Yahoo Bot is now actually seeming credible to me.)

Produce your alternative diagrams, demonstrating to "the jury" how your alternative laser beam hypothesis will work in this case, including reproducing a metallic look.

[_Quasimodo]

Sure, it's very surprising that CIA intelligence with information not even accessible by a US president will willing hand over classified documents to Ms. Kean!

On the other hand. :) A quick story. While doing contract work for NASA, I was requested to shoot some photos of something in an adjacent building (Boeing Phantom Works) to where I normally worked. I didn't usually do this, but no one else was available.

I had to pass through a security building to get there. The head of security for Boeing happened to be there when I went through. He was a friend and we had joked a little in the past about how serious security was taken in that area.

I told him that I needed to go to building #xxx. He smiled and said that he wasn't aware of that building (even though we could both see it through his window). His was joking, but if he had actually acknowledged that it existed, he could lose his job. Things are taken that seriously! Who knows what technology we really do have.

[_Darth J]

The defintion of "agnostic" is that one has not formed a conclusion.

And I have made no conclusion about the whole video. Just the parts I have seen, which is up to the Battle of Los Angeles.

How many minutes of the video have you viewed? I know you're at least up to 15:30. It's 1hour 34 minutes long.

I know. Are you going to let me finish it? Stand Friedman may be able to devote all of his time to UFO's, but I can't.

As I said, though, the producers fabricating a recorded voice purporting to be General MacArthur saying something that he never actually said was not helpful for their credibility.

Irrelevant.

It is very relevant. You have to trust the producers are presenting accurate information in order to be persuaded by what they present.

I am very aware that it is ufologist dogma that anything the government says is a lie unless the government admits what ufologists believe.

And I'm very aware that Dark J's dogma that anything the government officially says is the truth.

Do you feel that applying a false dichotomy to those who are not fully convinced by your evidence is helping to distinguish ufology from Mopologetics?

Would you be able to cite a specific example of my taking anything the U.S. government says at face value?

Calls to re-open Congressional hearings have indeed been ongoing. And look how effective those calls have been.

Well what did you expect? They trashed the fake Project Blue Book. They want the secrecy to continue "in the national security interest", and you expect they to say, "YES! Let's get going with that inquiry!"?

So no matter what happens, it proves the vast governmental conspiracy of covering up the truth about UFO's.

By the way, do you happen to know offhand how many people have been prosecuted and/or imprisoned for leaking allegedly "top secret" UFO information? That's what is happening right now with the WikiLeaks founder, because he leaked real classified information.

He did not. He threatened to release classified UFO documents and was arrested. They are still yet to be released. Looks unlikely now considering his arrest.

Get your fact right.

Well, no, that isn't what happened, either. Julian Assange was arrested for a rape charge from Sweden. The U.S. is looking to indict him for espionage in obtaining and releasing classified documents. The Department of Justice has said that the release of classified documents on WikiLeaks presents a threat to national security.

Why are there not similar indictments all over the place for people who have leaked allegedly classified UFO information?

And are you seriously claiming that Julian Assange was really arrested so he would not leak UFO documents?

Would this be part of that three-way U.S./U.K./Sweden conspiracy to cover up "the truth"?

[_Darth J]

And it's even more surprising that there is such a thing as intelligence information not accessible to a sitting U.S. president.

Anything that doesn't fit your worldview would surprise you. Oh no, the CIA could never, ever withhold something from a US president. Just doesn't happen, says Dark J, a suburban lawyer who knows exactly how the CIA works, and doesn't work. He will never even consider that the CIA could do something so unseemly.

There is a vast difference between withholding information from a president and legally classifying information as inaccessible to the president.

But based on your experience, how exactly does the CIA work?

[_Ray A]

I told him that I needed to go to building #xxx. He smiled and said that he wasn't aware of that building (even though we could both see it through his window). His was joking, but if he had actually acknowledged that it existed, he could lose his job. Things are taken that seriously! Who knows what technology we really do have.

Reminds me much of what many of the witnesses on The Disclosure Project said.

[_Ray A]

But based on your experience, how exactly does the CIA work?

Not my experience, but on what many former CIA employees said on The Disclosure Project. Of course, they don't have any credibility (and are obviously liars), but honest and informed you obviously do.

[_Darth J]

4. You want me to follow up on my ad hoc speculation about something I don't know about with charts and graphs and increasingly sophisticated wild guesses.

You are a lawyer who works in real courts? (Yahoo Bot is now actually seeming credible to me.)

Produce your alternative diagrams, demonstrating to "the jury" how your alternative laser beam hypothesis will work in this case, including reproducing a metallic look.

In real courts in the United States, speculation is not admissible for presentation to a jury.

In real courts in the United States, the party making a claim has the burden of proof. The plaintiff---the ufologist---does not get to provide rampant speculation about an event he cannot explain, and then demand that the defendant---the person who does not find the evidence to be compelling---present the ufologist's case for him.

In real courts in the United States, speculative diagrams are not evidence of anything, and therefore are not admissible. Diagrams or demonstrative exhibits only become admissible when there is a sufficient evidentiary foundation for what is purported to be explained in such a demonstrative exhibit.

In real courts in the United States, insufficiency of the evidence is a valid basis for rejecting a party's claims.

You are making it abundantly clear that you are incapable of discussing your beliefs without contrived insinuations about the character or motives of your interlocutor. Again, just like a typical Mopologist.

Are you going to let me finish your documentary, or do you just want to post more inane, invective banter----like a Mopologist?

[_Ray A]

And are you seriously claiming that Julian Assange was really arrested so he would not leak UFO documents?

I did not.

Would this be part of that three-way U.S./U.K./Sweden conspiracy to cover up "the truth"?

Anything is possible. None of the charges have so far been proved.

For behaving like most ordinary 39 year old heterosexual single men who have the usual amount of testosterone and who find willing consensual partners, Mr Assange has been placed on Interpol's most wanted list and without a trial thrown behind bars and bail refused. Mr Assange is not an accused murderer, rapist, thief or violent thug. At most, he's a sexual libertine who took advantage of a trip to Sweden, the land of sexual libertines.

Presented with these facts, it is hard to come to any conclusion other than Mr Assange's arrest and incarceration is simply political persecution. It is obvious that neither Mr Assange nor Wikileaks has committed any real crime because despite the bleating of US politicians baying for his blood, they haven't found any law that has been broken. In fact, they've got him on ice behind bars while they're scrambling to create one!

Assange Charge.

[_Darth J]

But based on your experience, how exactly does the CIA work?

Not my experience, but on what many former CIA employees said on The Disclosure Project. Of course, they don't have any credibility (and are obviously liars), but honest and informed you obviously do.

Okay: poisoning the well, straw man, personal invective, false dilemma.

I would say that my thesis about apologetics in different belief systems is panning out.

Do you want me to finish watching your documentary or not? I am reaching the limit of my UFO adventures for today, so I need you to decide.