Question: Why do mopologists ignore the Bible so much?

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bcspace wrote:
But Jesus taught that heaven is a singles-only place. Joseph taught otherwise.


He did no such thing. See my above post,


Yes he did. "When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven."

Referencing yourself as a source isn't a very convincing argument.
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He did no such thing. See my above post,

Yes he did. "When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven."

Referencing yourself as a source isn't a very convincing argument.


Yet the Sadducees referenced themselves, who were not on a Celestial path anyway and therefore such a statement has no bearing on the LDS doctrine of eternal marriage. The fact that you missed that shows your knowledge of the Bible to be suspect.

In addition, the Sadducees were referencing a story out of Tobit, which, if you actually knew the story, impies that none of these were marriages that were sealed anyway. So yes, it is LDS (and Biblical Jesus') doctrine that those who are not sealed are not married in the resurrection.

And thus there remains no conflict between LDS doctrine and the Bible.
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bcspace wrote:Yet the Sadducees referenced themselves, who were not on a Celestial path anyway and therefore such a statement has no bearing on the LDS doctrine of eternal marriage. The fact that you missed that shows your knowledge of the Bible to be suspect.

In addition, the Sadducees were referencing a story out of Tobit, which, if you actually knew the story, impies that none of these were marriages that were sealed anyway. So yes, it is LDS (and Biblical Jesus') doctrine that those who are not sealed are not married in the resurrection.

And thus there remains no conflict between LDS doctrine and the Bible.


The concept of "sealed" marriages didn't exist. Presentism! Presentism!
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

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Yet the Sadducees referenced themselves, who were not on a Celestial path anyway and therefore such a statement has no bearing on the LDS doctrine of eternal marriage. The fact that you missed that shows your knowledge of the Bible to be suspect.

In addition, the Sadducees were referencing a story out of Tobit, which, if you actually knew the story, impies that none of these were marriages that were sealed anyway. So yes, it is LDS (and Biblical Jesus') doctrine that those who are not sealed are not married in the resurrection.

And thus there remains no conflict between LDS doctrine and the Bible.

The concept of "sealed" marriages didn't exist. Presentism! Presentism!


Doesn't have to for Jesus' statement to apply only to unsealed marriages. I don't think Jesus would be teaching the Sadducees much about the esoteric doctrines anyway which the early christians said came from the apostles who said they got it from Jesus. Your denial is duly noted, but call me when you have some actual scholarship to present......
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bcspace wrote:
Doesn't have to for Jesus' statement to apply only to unsealed marriages. I don't think Jesus would be teaching the Sadducees much about the esoteric doctrines anyway which the early christians said came from the apostles who said they got it from Jesus. Your denial is duly noted, but call me when you have some actual scholarship to present......


The early Christians had no concept of eternal marriage. ALL marriages were unsealed. Presentism! Presentism!
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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Doesn't have to for Jesus' statement to apply only to unsealed marriages. I don't think Jesus would be teaching the Sadducees much about the esoteric doctrines anyway which the early christians said came from the apostles who said they got it from Jesus. Your denial is duly noted, but call me when you have some actual scholarship to present......

The early Christians had no concept of eternal marriage. ALL marriages were unsealed. Presentism! Presentism!


Avoision! Aviosion! When you're able to show how the Reticence of Jesus conflicts with LDS doctrine, then I will be happy to move on to marriage doctrine in early Christianity.
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Avoision! Aviosion! When you're able to show how the Reticence of Jesus conflicts with LDS doctrine, then I will be happy to move on to marriage doctrine in early Christianity.


I've already shown that. Jesus said that marriages don't last past death. Joseph Smith said otherwise. That's a contradiction.
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Avoision! Aviosion! When you're able to show how the Reticence of Jesus conflicts with LDS doctrine, then I will be happy to move on to marriage doctrine in early Christianity.

I've already shown that. Jesus said that marriages don't last past death.


Yes, Jesus said those particular marriages don't last past death. it's simple grammar really. Who are "they"? The Sadducees and their bretheren. No conflict.
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bcspace wrote:
Yes, Jesus said those particular marriages don't last past death. No conflict.


He didn't make the narrow statement you're trying to put in his mouth. The early Christians had no doctrine on eternal marriage.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

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Yes, Jesus said those particular marriages don't last past death. No conflict.

He didn't make the narrow statement you're trying to put in his mouth.


In context, he did. Who are "they"?

The early Christians had no doctrine on eternal marriage.


Origen says they did. But lets not have you get away with avoision just yet. Who are "they" in the Reticence of Jesus?
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