Is Adam Michael...?

[Guest]

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[_Buffalo]

Let's not forget the larger context here - Adam and Michael are both fictional characters.

[_stemelbow]

I don't know if I get these stories anyways. How did he know who he was seeing if he had not seen them before? Were they wearing name tags? It could also be that he named those familiar names because he knew or thought he saw important figures. I really don't know.

[_jon]

I don't know if I get these stories anyways. How did he know who he was seeing if he had not seen them before? Were they wearing name tags? It could also be that he named those familiar names because he knew or thought he saw important figures. I really don't know.

It's not a story, it was a 'vision given to Joseph Smith the Prophet...' that is now canonized as scripture with a deliberate ommission of the name Michael.

[_Nightlion]

He could well have seen both Adam and Michael and they were two manifestations of the same being. Adam, as he is now, waiting resurrection and Adam when he was Michael in pre-fall glory. Like he saw Adam and then saw Abraham and then did a double take on Adam seeing the glory of Michael upon him. And since it was a vision and not a board meeting he had to take it as it came and could not rewind it or puzzle about it and look again. Time does not exist there you know. What was his living mother doing there. Was his father still alive at the time too? You see the slippage of time in this, right?

Nightlion,

This is a much better attempt at an apologetic, the problem is it describes the Kingdom of God in the Celestial Kingom, through which the heirs of that Kingdom will enter. It is not describing Spirit Paradise but the actual Celestial Kingdom. He goes from one person to the next to the next. In order for it to be Michael in prefall glory for that moment before continuing to see others seems illogical. It is also disjointed for him to have begun looking to where men will go in the resurrection, to then see some people there only to go backwards in time for one person before going forwards in time for the rest.

Not more illogical than most FAIR apologetics in general however and a much better response than FAIR's to this issue. I enjoy thinking of possible arguments too.

Hasa Diga Eebowai

Thanks for the nod, Hasa, I do not make a habit of puzzling over such things.
Did anyone mention about how it was he saw his parents, both of whom I suspect were alive at the time? That opens up the notion that this vision was not an actual representation of exactly how things are in heaven.

And now I am thinking that this vision could have been the actual genesis of the Michael/Adam connection. The impression of this vision began the questions of how his brother Alvin was saved and the entire Temple/sealing understandings began to emerge from this. So what we may have here is an underdeveloped glimpse that triggered the actual development of a substantial portion of Mormonism.

[_Wisdom Seeker]

I have been spending my lunch hour looking at the Apocalrock and there is clearly a figure that is Adam holding a bowl of fruit from the Garden and a direct line to an angelic figure with long white robes (snow for now). I think we can safely conclude that Adam is Michael.

I don't have a photo, but pretty sure Nightlion can show it to you.

[_Nightlion]

I have been spending my lunch hour looking at the Apocalrock and there is clearly a figure that is Adam holding a bowl of fruit from the Garden and a direct line to an angelic figure with long white robes (snow for now). I think we can safely conclude that Adam is Michael.

I don't have a photo, but pretty sure Nightlion can show it to you.

You mean, right this minute you are seeing this? I need to get my Cannon and beat it down to take a pic!

[_Nightlion]

I have been spending my lunch hour looking at the Apocalrock and there is clearly a figure that is Adam holding a bowl of fruit from the Garden and a direct line to an angelic figure with long white robes (snow for now). I think we can safely conclude that Adam is Michael.

I don't have a photo, but pretty sure Nightlion can show it to you.

Just before 1PM May 25, 2011 showing here:



I only see the duality of God. God and his wisdom, the Sophia. The masculine male and the beautiful female superimposed together. His profile shows only a left eye and is her right eye. She is sort of leaning into the mind of the male suggesting, I suggest, that the mind of God has a fullness of light and truth and was not diminished by gender assignment. As were we. But not any the the devils. They refused gender assignment and were damned before the rest of us got spirit bodies. Which is the process by which sexual assignment is applied as those bodies come by way of the continuation of the seeds. Which seeds are both male and female and demand a sexual imprint and thus diminish a fullness of light and truth lest confusion reign. Which confusion is obviously probable except for those who love the Lord and accept all his gifts with all their heart, might, mind and strength.

Wonders if this derail is hostile enough to be cast out into outer darkness?

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[_Buffalo]

I notice the letters MIA on the left side of the mountain. Now we know a little of God's taste in music.