Reformed Egyptian = Latin Short Hand? Celestial version

[_Chap]

Bump for Dr. Peterson (recently returned from Yellowstone). ....

Enter, pursued by a bear?

[_Buffalo]

Thanks for keeping this alive. Apologists, have you done any research into this area? Do you have even a speculative response?

[_Chap]

Thanks for keeping this alive. Apologists, have you done any research into this area? Do you have even a speculative response?

I think the problem is that we aren't intellectually serious enough to be worthy of a response.

Or the response is so blindingly obvious that the fact that we do not realize what it is without being told suffices to prove that we would be too stupid to comprehend it even if we were told.

Or everybody has to go to a very important conference.

Or everybody is working on a game-changing paper on the problem that will be published when they are damn well good and ready.

Or everybody is going to see the Bacchae in the original in company with William Schryver, who will provide a simultaneous translation into Neopolitan dialect. (Oh, how I hope they invite audience participation for the role of Pentheus, with MsJack leading off the chorus of women!!)

Or else no-one at the Maxwell Institute can as yet think of any plausible method of explaining away the fact that the 'Caractors' allegedly taken by Smith from the golden plates have a very close resemblance to what we now know to be Tironian shorthand, but which in Smith's day was thought by some to be some mysterious ancient script, possibly Phoenician.

Or we are too silly to play with, and our mother dresses us funny, so no-one cool would be seen dead with us.

Could be any or all of those.

[_Everybody Wang Chung]

Michael Ash,

Care to give this a crack?

[_Buffalo]

Thanks for keeping this alive. Apologists, have you done any research into this area? Do you have even a speculative response?

I think the problem is that we aren't intellectually serious enough to be worthy of a response.

Hmm, this excuse seems familiar. VERY familiar...

[_Buffalo]

Bump for apologetic consideration.

[_ELYSAB]

I examined several literature on SCRIBAL abbreviation, shorthand, as source of your legendary "characters" that would match the NEPHITIC "CARACTORS", composed by the list of Characters that Joseph Smith copied from Gold Plates (from which it was translated the Book of Mormon).

First of all Nephi could not use such SCRIBAL because they originated AFTER the departure of Nephi from ROME region. If they were true they should be plenty available, at least in Italy, nearby Rome. That was not the case. I got by revelation that Nephites departed from Rome region when I was working there in 1998, in Italy. That was disclosed, immediately.

SCRIBAL ABREVIATION (SHORT-HAND)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scribal_abbreviations

Scribal abbreviations were infrequent when writing materials were plentiful. Consequently, scribes recorded texts in long form. However, by the third and fourth centuries AD (Nephi had long departed..., when writing materials were scarce and costly, the scribe-artists became sparing in their use of the limited writing surface when inscribing long texts to record.

Additionally, in this period shorthand entered general usage. The Greek Xenophon was the first known to use shorthand, but he was very far away from Italy, Egypt and Jerusalem (routes of Nephites in 610 BC) and when he lived (430-354 BC), Nephites had departed for a long time (almost 200 years...) to the USA.

For sure first known such shorthand was to generate Greek-alike characters, never the Latin-alike ones that are so abundant in CARACTORS list. Looking into the available literature, we can see so silly is this site and its basis. Mainly because the 100% perfect match can be obtained with the available and usual characters, that were used by common people to write and read, and not being something exotic and secret.

Examining them, they were like a corruption of available characters. If you pay attention, the Characters that are in the list CARACTORS, are perfectly reproduced as they were in use in ITALY and in GREECE and in PHOENICIA, in circa of 620 B.C. And the characters were mainly of the very Ancient Italic type: nothing to do with SCRIBAL abbreviations used in short list. In past I learned Greg Short Hand for English (in 1978), that I used at the course for M.Sc. at the Univ. of California (it was very fast to register some classes, as there were no inexpensive tape recorders...).

Look with attention, something that I did, character by character of the list CARACTORS, 10 years ago. You will recognize all characters as GREEK Characters, very perfect. And others quite like Phoenician (such alike type of characters are more abundandant in Kinderhook plates). And the remaining as very Ancient Italic characters. That is all. None Hebraic character... Or from India or China or Japan... ELYSAB

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[_Buffalo]

So are there any responses to this issue with Mormon origins? Or is this a slam-dunk for the critics?

Hasa Diga Eebowai

It would appear that they don't have any response at this time - not even a rhetorical one.

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